<div dir="ltr"><div dir="auto">Hi</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><div dir="ltr" style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:12.8px"><p style="margin:0px;font-size:12.8px;line-height:normal;font-family:Arial">I remain firmly oppose<span style="font-size:12.8px;line-height:normal;font-family:"Hiragino Sans"">d to </span>this policy.</p><p style="margin:0px;font-size:12.8px;line-height:normal;font-family:Arial;min-height:15px"><br></p><p style="margin:0px;font-size:12.8px;line-height:normal;font-family:Arial">The fundamental problem of this policy is not how the evidence is being present, but the fact that it is taking resources away from its active members – <span style="font-size:12.8px;line-height:normal;font-family:"Hiragino Sans"">it </span>seems to<b> give AFRINIC the rights to do something it doesn’t have power to</b>.</p><p style="margin:0px;font-size:12.8px;line-height:normal;font-family:Arial;min-height:15px"><br></p><p style="margin:0px;font-size:12.8px;line-height:normal;font-family:Arial">If you are making a review policy for more accurate registration, you will have my full support, as the only way to move forward for AFRINIC is to be a good bookkeeper. A good bookkeeper needs to document things even it is politically incorrect.This is a thehard reality.</p><p style="margin:0px;font-size:12.8px;line-height:normal;font-family:Arial;min-height:15px"><br></p><p style="margin:0px;font-size:12.8px;line-height:normal;font-family:Arial;color:rgb(17,85,204)"><span style="text-decoration-line:underline"><a href="http://bgp.potaroo.net/ipv4-stats/prefixes_unadv_pool.txt" target="_blank">http://bgp.potaroo.net/ipv4-<wbr>stats/prefixes_unadv_pool.txt</a></span></p><p style="margin:0px;font-size:12.8px;line-height:normal;font-family:Arial;min-height:15px"><br></p><p style="margin:0px;font-size:12.8px;line-height:normal;font-family:Arial">Today, about 20% of the internet is allocated to companies but not advertised. Indeed there is a space for internal use. However, I believe that out of those 20%, at least 90% of them remains idle.</p><p style="margin:0px;font-size:12.8px;line-height:normal;font-family:Arial;min-height:15px"><br></p><p style="margin:0px;font-size:12.8px;line-height:normal;font-family:Arial">As long as those spaces are occupied legitimately, there is no way on this planet to take them away from people without starting a war, no government in history ever did that.</p><p style="margin:0px;font-size:12.8px;line-height:normal;font-family:Arial;min-height:15px"><br></p><p style="margin:0px;font-size:12.8px;line-height:normal;font-family:Arial">The US government will not come to inform you that because your land from the West was giving for free 200 years ago, you should give it back to the government for redistribution. It will NOT tell you that if you don't need the land anymore, you have to sell it in 3 month.</p><p style="margin:0px;font-size:12.8px;line-height:normal;font-family:Arial;min-height:15px"><br></p><p style="margin:0px;font-size:12.8px;line-height:normal;font-family:Arial">Even the US government have the most powerful army to back it up, they don't even dare to do so. Thus, how AFRINIC, being a dozen people registration service, with one lawyer working as a part-time, is able to do that to an entire continent's resource holder?</p><p style="margin:0px;font-size:12.8px;line-height:normal;font-family:Arial;min-height:15px"><br></p><p style="margin:0px;font-size:12.8px;line-height:normal;font-family:Arial">If you ever plan to make a 6.0 and want to pass it, try to take out the whole part of the recovery process, instead of putting something like not issuing new allocation to a member in violation of accurate data registration, and encourage members to register idle space as idle.</p><p style="margin:0px;font-size:12.8px;line-height:normal;font-family:Arial;min-height:15px"><br></p><p style="margin:0px;font-size:12.8px;line-height:normal;font-family:Arial"><b>It is an accurate database you want, not a communist way of wealth redistribution.</b></p></div><div class="gmail-yj6qo gmail-ajU" style="margin:2px 0px 0px;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:12.8px"></div></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div>On Fri, Nov 24, 2017 at 04:07 Andrew Alston <<a href="mailto:Andrew.Alston@liquidtelecom.com" target="_blank">Andrew.Alston@liquidtelecom.c<wbr>om</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span>Arnaud,<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span>Let me make this crystal clear on this list –<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span>You state:<u></u><u></u></span></p></div></div><div lang="EN-GB"><div class="gmail-m_-8806679979725966123gmail-m_-2287672297562142096m_-4713359162241852945WordSection1">
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><i><u>We have noted your support to a v6.0 with the new 13.3.1 . Same for the two others who also opposed v5.0 for the same reason.<u></u><u></u></u></i></b></p>
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</div></div><div lang="EN-GB"><div class="gmail-m_-8806679979725966123gmail-m_-2287672297562142096m_-4713359162241852945WordSection1"><p class="MsoNormal"><span>Until I state explicitly that I support – do not note my support for anything – my support is not something to be derived, and when I support this policy, I will state so – until then my stated opposition
stands and I will go into more detail in a further email. <u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span>I hope this is clear.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US"> Arnaud AMELINA [mailto:<a href="mailto:amelnaud@gmail.com" target="_blank">amelnaud@gmail.com</a>]
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<b>Subject:</b> Re: [rpd] Version: 5.0 "Internet Number Resources review by AFRINIC"<u></u><u></u></span></p></div></div><div lang="EN-GB"><div class="gmail-m_-8806679979725966123gmail-m_-2287672297562142096m_-4713359162241852945WordSection1">
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<p class="MsoNormal">We trust Afrinic for making the right choices with the available resources for an efficient review of usage of allocated resources. <u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">The new version under discussion is the outcome of our works with the legal counsel and staff to address all the legal issues raised. We encourage the community to read, digest the changes and comment.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">2017-11-19 10:33 GMT+00:00 Nishal Goburdhan <<a href="mailto:nishal@controlfreak.co.za" target="_blank">nishal@controlfreak.co.za</a>>:<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12pt">On 15 Nov 2017, at 15:41, Sami Salih wrote:<u></u><u></u></p>
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A new updated version (Version: 5.0) of the policy proposal "AFPUB-2016-GEN-001-DRAFT-05" titled "Internet Number Resources review by AFRINIC" has been received and published in the policy development portal in the following link<br>
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<a href="https://afrinic.net/en/community/policy-development/policy-proposals/2231-internet-number-resources-review-by-afrinic" target="_blank">https://afrinic.net/en/communi<wbr>ty/policy-development/policy-<wbr>proposals/2231-internet-<wbr>number-resources-review-by-<wbr>afrinic</a><br>
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sadly the part about treating all members equally seems to be ignored; 13.3.1 still doesn’t include all members, and as has been repeatedly explained, the smaller members are just as guilty of using resources unwisely.<br>
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