<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class="">ARIN reserved a /10 for IPv6 transition and a /16 for critical infrastructure. ARIN Has a total of 100.1 /8s (400.4 /10s, so the reservation of a /10 is the equivalent of 0.25% of their total holdings. It’s equal to 25,600.3 /16s, so reservation of a /16 is equal to 0.004% of their total holdings.<div class=""><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">ARIN made no other reservations for new entrants.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Proportionately, AfriNIC total holdings are 7.23 /8s, so equivalent reservations would be about 1.5 /14s, so let’s call it a /13 for transition and approximately 20 /24s (let’s round up to 32 and call it a /19 for critical infrastructure).</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">If such a proposal were on the table in AfriNIC, I would support it. Unfortunately, that’s not what is on the table here. The proposal on the table here is laden with quite a few other unnecessary and harmful restrictions and is focused on stringing out the IPv4 business as usual for small organizations while denying addresses to larger organizations with equivalent or even greater present need.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">I did not agree to adoption of a previous version, I stated that it was less objectional than its predecessor.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">IMHO, authors acting in bad faith is the single biggest issue dividing the community. That doesn’t mean I’m advocating it as the only issue, it means I am identifying it as what I perceive to be the single most divisive issue.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">You keep telling me I should let others speak, but I don’t see where I have ever made any effort to prevent anyone from speaking, so I am not sure what your meaning is here. I think it is, perhaps, your back-handed way of attempting to tell me not to speak, but if that is your intent, then say it plain and see where that goes.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Owen</div><div class=""><br class=""><div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Aug 13, 2017, at 07:42 , Omo Oaiya <<a href="mailto:Omo.Oaiya@wacren.net" class="">Omo.Oaiya@wacren.net</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class="">Without prejudice to Eddy and Ademola's wise counsel, this is an example of what leads to exchanges that make some say there is toxicity.<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">For whatever purpose, I see you promoting the so-called factions on a thread that tries to move us forward. It is all evident in your choice of words - "stubbornly cling", "mutual abandonment" "single issue" </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">In case you do not realise, you continue to personalise what has become a community document that contains elements of SL-SD and text from other members of the community. </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">The jury is still out on your about-face on the claim to have written Alain Durand's proposal but I followed my gut instincts and trawled through related discussions on the ARIN list. I am happy for you to correct me if I am wrong ...with evidence.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">I read that you and others agreed with the Alain Durand's proposal but nowhere do you propose any text as subsequently claimed. What I saw in the related discussions was support for reserving for IPv6 and to look up to 20 years ahead. Time is bearing this position out. </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Mind you, this was in 2008 and the ARIN reserve persists despite the exhaustion of the free pool and secondary market. Even if our circumstances in AfriNIC today were not different, with a similar outlook, this suggests that we should look forward to another 10 years at least. This conforms with Alain Durand's further work and every other RIR which maintains a reserve. </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">On top of this, you basically agree to the adoption of a previous version [1] then turn around to champion going back to your "single issue" when an updated version is put on the list by the Co-chairs. </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">We have heard your opinion on what AfriNIC should do. Time to let others speak and let those who want to move things forward do so.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Merci!</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">[1] - <a href="https://lists.afrinic.net/pipermail/rpd/2017/006710.html" target="_blank" class="">https://lists.afrinic.net/pi<wbr class="">permail/rpd/2017/006710.html</a></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><div class=""><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote">On 13 August 2017 at 06:00, Owen DeLong <span dir="ltr" class=""><<a href="mailto:owen@delong.com" target="_blank" class="">owen@delong.com</a>></span> wrote:<br class=""><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div style="word-wrap:break-word" class="">I think a positive first step towards useful dialog would be for the authors of SL-BIS to work with the authors from the other proposal to craft a new proposal and abandon SL-BIS as previously agreed. I think with that restoration of good faith, it would be much easier to move forward. If they continue to stubbornly cling to the existing proposal even after the strong showing of support for mutual abandonment and agreement thereto, then I think it is that single issue which makes it difficult for one side to trust that the other may work with them in good faith to reach resolution.<span class="m_-8458597459629149287m_1078430513003685221gmail-m_-3045962236259790390gmail-HOEnZb"><font color="#888888" class=""><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Owen</div></font></span><div class=""><div class="m_-8458597459629149287m_1078430513003685221gmail-m_-3045962236259790390gmail-h5"><div class=""><br class=""><div class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Aug 12, 2017, at 03:58 , Ademola Osindero <<a href="mailto:ademola@ng.lopworks.com" target="_blank" class="">ademola@ng.lopworks.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="m_-8458597459629149287m_1078430513003685221gmail-m_-3045962236259790390gmail-m_-2500551950326690829Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div id="m_-8458597459629149287m_1078430513003685221gmail-m_-3045962236259790390gmail-m_-2500551950326690829bloop_customfont" style="font-family:Helvetica,Arial;font-size:13px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;margin:0px" class="">Dear All,</div><div id="m_-8458597459629149287m_1078430513003685221gmail-m_-3045962236259790390gmail-m_-2500551950326690829bloop_customfont" style="font-family:Helvetica,Arial;font-size:13px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;margin:0px" class=""><br class=""></div><div id="m_-8458597459629149287m_1078430513003685221gmail-m_-3045962236259790390gmail-m_-2500551950326690829bloop_customfont" style="font-family:Helvetica,Arial;font-size:13px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;margin:0px" class="">I very much share Eddy’s sympathy on the deteriorated state of this collaboration. We cannot pretend all is fine and expect to move further with any proposal. Neither can we venture down the lane of exploring sanctions. The community is meant to be an egalitarian society and appointed leaders are only chosen to help steer the wheel of affairs.</div><div id="m_-8458597459629149287m_1078430513003685221gmail-m_-3045962236259790390gmail-m_-2500551950326690829bloop_customfont" style="font-family:Helvetica,Arial;font-size:13px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;margin:0px" class=""><br class=""></div><div id="m_-8458597459629149287m_1078430513003685221gmail-m_-3045962236259790390gmail-m_-2500551950326690829bloop_customfont" style="font-family:Helvetica,Arial;font-size:13px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;margin:0px" class="">Like in all conflicts, if we allow this enmity to continue, it will be total chaos for Afrinic. I do second the option of calling for an emergency resolution meeting to hold either virtually or at a physical location. Let us all work together to douse the growing tension. More so, this community has grown over the years with several people coming on board. We have to learn to listen to divergent views.</div><div id="m_-8458597459629149287m_1078430513003685221gmail-m_-3045962236259790390gmail-m_-2500551950326690829bloop_customfont" style="font-family:Helvetica,Arial;font-size:13px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;margin:0px" class=""><br class=""></div><br style="font-family:Helvetica,Arial;font-size:13px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px" class=""><div id="m_-8458597459629149287m_1078430513003685221gmail-m_-3045962236259790390gmail-m_-2500551950326690829bloop_sign_1502534999855915008" class="m_-8458597459629149287m_1078430513003685221gmail-m_-3045962236259790390gmail-m_-2500551950326690829bloop_sign" 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Neue",helvetica;line-height:normal" target="_blank" class="">http://www.lopworks.com</a></div></div><br style="font-family:Helvetica,Arial;font-size:13px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px" class=""><p class="m_-8458597459629149287m_1078430513003685221gmail-m_-3045962236259790390gmail-m_-2500551950326690829airmail_on" style="font-family:Helvetica,Arial;font-size:13px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px">On 12 August 2017 at 11:05:28, Eddy Kayihura (<a href="mailto:ekayihura@gmail.com" target="_blank" class="">ekayihura@gmail.com</a>) wrote:</p><blockquote type="cite" class="m_-8458597459629149287m_1078430513003685221gmail-m_-3045962236259790390gmail-m_-2500551950326690829clean_bq" style="font-family:Helvetica,Arial;font-size:13px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px"><span class=""><div class=""><div class=""></div><div class=""><div dir="auto" class="">Hi All,<div dir="auto" class=""><br class=""></div><div dir="auto" class="">I have to admit it is very sad to see where we have reached at as a community.</div><div dir="auto" class=""><br class=""></div><div dir="auto" class="">I have friends from both sides that seems to be at war and I have failed to understand what is at stake. Maybe I am not looking hard enough or have not searched deep enough.</div><div dir="auto" class=""><br class=""></div><div dir="auto" class="">In a family, when there is conflict and people still do want to keep the family fabric alive, people sit down and discuss matters sometimes with neutral wise men (and women in our generation).</div><div dir="auto" class=""><br class=""></div><div dir="auto" class="">Do you think there is still a small chance for our community to stay united? We don't need to agree on all but should keep the interests of the community at heart.</div><div dir="auto" class=""><br class=""></div><div dir="auto" class="">These debates have become so toxic that it is hard to focus on what's important. With this bottom up process we don't distribute red cards and everyone can add his sauce on the mix (even me with no understanding on the discussed topic :-)</div><div dir="auto" class=""><br class=""></div><div dir="auto" class="">I don't think we are a community that can evolve with consensus any more since we have allowed these diverging opinions and camps to divide us so much. It is no longer what it used to be: "a group of geeks working together for the good of the Internet as well as the continent."</div><div dir="auto" class=""><br class=""></div><div dir="auto" class="">My humble proposal is to zoom out a bit and seat at a virtual round table with the intention to dilute each sides toxic glass. </div><div dir="auto" class=""><br class=""></div><div dir="auto" class="">Not sure how this would work but hope the wise men and women can know how to moderate such debate.</div><div dir="auto" class=""><br class=""></div><div dir="auto" class="">Hoping we still have those wise persons in this community...</div><div dir="auto" class=""><br class=""></div><div dir="auto" class="">My 2 cents...</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br class=""><div class="gmail_quote">On Aug 11, 2017 12:20 PM, "Noah" <<a href="mailto:noah@neo.co.tz" target="_blank" class="">noah@neo.co.tz</a>> wrote:<br type="attribution" class=""><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto" class=""><div class=""><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote">On 11 Aug 2017 5:23 a.m., "Owen DeLong" <<a href="mailto:owen@delong.com" target="_blank" class="">owen@delong.com</a>> wrote:<br type="attribution" class=""><blockquote class="m_-8458597459629149287m_1078430513003685221gmail-m_-3045962236259790390gmail-m_-2500551950326690829m_8691411042168520296m_-6704798927156440086m_-4711009337471244686m_7527250603538082858quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div style="word-wrap:break-word" class="">I understand why you think these are better, but I will agree to disagree.</div></blockquote></div></div></div><div dir="auto" class=""><br class=""></div><div dir="auto" class="">Owen,</div><div dir="auto" class=""><br class=""><span style="font-family:sans-serif" class="">The board asked for suggestions and I have shared different options we can explore and I didnt expect you personally to agree with these suggestions even a bit considering your openly biased view point ref: the matter.</span><br class=""></div><div dir="auto" class=""><span style="font-family:sans-serif" class=""><br class=""></span></div><div dir="auto" class=""><br class=""></div><div dir="auto" class=""><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="m_-8458597459629149287m_1078430513003685221gmail-m_-3045962236259790390gmail-m_-2500551950326690829m_8691411042168520296m_-6704798927156440086m_-4711009337471244686m_7527250603538082858quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div style="word-wrap:break-word" class=""><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">I think any of those constructs would result in factional distrust of the outcome of the process.</div></div></blockquote></div></div></div><div dir="auto" class=""><br class=""></div><div dir="auto" class=""><br class=""></div><div dir="auto" class=""><div class="gmail_extra" dir="auto"><div class="gmail_extra" dir="auto"><span style="font-family:sans-serif" class="">Can you please elaborate fully this factional distrust you assume. 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