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Dear JRH, PDWG,
<p>Thank you for the various comments and questions on the Board's
reasoning RE: Appeal Committee's TOR.</p>
<p>Recall my initial email that we will not be responding to every
comments and conversation, but will put together and consider all
comments at the end of the comments period. <br>
</p>
<p>The Board continues to encourage an active discussion on the
matter and we will compile all views at the end of the comments
period.<br>
</p>
<p>Kindly make alternative proposals to whatever arrangement you
consider not appropriate in the current draft TOR as circulated.</p>
<p>Best regards <br>
</p>
<p>Sunday.<br>
</p>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 02/08/2017 20:08, Hountomey Jean
Robert wrote:<br>
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<div>Owen,<br>
I see your point and I respect your opinion. I also thank
for your the clarification. I personally see passionate
debate. I am not here to pass judgment on others. I believe
that letting people express their opinion unite us instead
of dividing us. "No discussion can throw light if it wanders
from the real point". An African proverb teaches us "You
must attend to your business with the vendor in the market,
and not to the noise of the market". I have asked questions
to my leadership and I want to hear from them to make sure I
understand.<br>
I thank you very much.<br>
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Best Regards.<br>
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Jean-Robert Hountomey.<br>
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<div class="gmail_quote">2017-08-02 13:19 GMT-05:00 Owen DeLong
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<div>On Aug 2, 2017, at 07:53 , Noah <<a href="mailto:noah@neo.co.tz" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">noah@neo.co.tz</a>>
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<div dir="auto">Dear Afrinic Board Chair,</div>
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<div dir="auto">I almost missed this and I have
quickly gone through it and I want to thank
you for your effort ref: this Appeal Committee
Terms of Reference, however, I have some
questions section 2.?</div>
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<div dir="auto">Seats 1 and 2: Two of the past
chairs or past co-chairs of the AFRINIC policy
development working group (PDWG).</div>
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<div dir="auto">+1 and in support of the
selection of seat 1 and 2 as those make sense.</div>
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<div dir="auto">For Seats 3 and 4: I wonder if
other RIR's have provisions that require
members from the AFRINIC region to seat in
their appeal committees? </div>
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</span>Other RIRs have very different circumstances. As
is often pointed out even when the circumstances in the
AfriNIC region are not so different. However, in this
case, they are quite different. No other RIR has such a
degree of infighting nor such a large degree of mistrust
among the factions around their policy proposals.
Indeed, in the other regions, the factions on any given
policy proposal are often quite different and you don’t
find nearly identical groups clumping together in
support or opposition of a proposal as you do in the
AfriNIC region. Indeed, to the best of my knowledge, no
other RIR has even such a review committee in the first
place.</div>
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<div>I don’t know the appeal process (if one exists) in
RIPE, LACNIC, or APNIC, but in the ARIN region, the
process is governed by what we call the petition
process. If members of the community dislike a decision
of the ARIN Advisory Council, they can petition that
action on the mailing list. If enough other independent
participants express support for the petition, </div>
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<div>Details are here: <a href="https://www.arin.net/policy/pdp_petitions.html" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">https://www.arin.net/policy/<wbr>pdp_petitions.html</a></div>
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<div dir="auto">I fail to understand the
rational around selecting 2 members from 2
different RIR's as if the AFRINIC community
lacks people within our region who can fill up
seats 3 and 4.</div>
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</span>I believe the intent is to create a greater
degree of independence from the internal politics
inherent in the AfriNIC region and to increase the
transparency and fairness of the process. I think this
is a legitimate approach in this case because, frankly,
I think that members from different RIRs are more likely
to examine the issue purely on the record and the merits
of the arguments without regard for the factionalism and
politics involved. These are issues that simply either
don’t exist or are a much much smaller problem in the
other RIRs.</div>
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<div dir="auto">For Seat 5: A current or past
chair or vice chair of the NRO NC/ASO AC, who
is not from the AFRINIC region.</div>
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<div dir="auto">What is the rational behind
this? I mean the Afrinic board cant find, out
of a continent with 1.2 billion people, one
person from within the AFRINIC numbering or
names community who can take up seat 5?.</div>
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</span>Again, I believe that the intent here is similar
to the intent with seats 3 and 4. I consider this an
entirely reasonable approach to maintaining the
independence of the appeals committee and applaud the
board’s wisdom and foresight in this matter.</div>
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<div>Owen</div>
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<div data-smartmail="gmail_signature" dir="auto">Noah</div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On 19 Jul 2017 3:54
p.m., "Sunday Folayan" <<a href="mailto:sfolayan@gmail.com" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">sfolayan@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:<br type="attribution">
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#ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Dear PDWG,<br>
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The AFRINIC Board of Directors intends to
establish an Appeal Committee to give effect
to the requirements in section 3.5 of the
Consolidated Policy Manual (that is, the
Conflict resolution portion of the Policy
Development Process).<br>
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The Appeal Committee Terms of Reference
(version 1) is published at <a href="https://afrinic.net/en/community/working-groups/policy-appeal" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">https://afrinic.net/en/communi<wbr>ty/working-groups/policy-appea<wbr>l</a><br>
<br>
The Board calls for comments on the Terms of
Reference for a 30 day period, ending on 19
August 2017. Comments may be sent to the RPD
mailing list <<a href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">rpd@afrinic.net</a>>.<br>
<br>
The Board intends to appoint an interim
Appeal Committee without delay, to cater for
the possibility that an appeal might be
filed before the comments on the Terms of
reference can be taken into account. We seek
the cooperation of the community in this
regard.<br>
<br>
Sunday Folayan<br>
Chair of the AFRINIC Board of Directors<br>
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