<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class="">Owen,<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">If you were subtle enough to read between the lines, you would notice that folks are saying that these questions are directed at the Afrinic board NOT you. </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Please let the Board Chair answer or do you speak for him now as well as the Co-Chairs and Internet community at large? Time you showed some decorum and were a bit more circumspect with your perpetual intrusion.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">-Omo</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On 2 Aug 2017, at 14:19, Owen DeLong <<a href="mailto:owen@delong.com" class="">owen@delong.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=utf-8" class=""><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><br class=""><div class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Aug 2, 2017, at 07:53 , Noah <<a href="mailto:noah@neo.co.tz" class="">noah@neo.co.tz</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div dir="auto" class=""><div dir="auto" class="">Dear Afrinic Board Chair,</div><div dir="auto" class=""><br class=""></div><div dir="auto" class="">I almost missed this and I have quickly gone through it and I want to thank you for your effort ref: this Appeal Committee Terms of Reference, however, I have some questions section 2.?</div><div dir="auto" class=""><br class=""></div><div dir="auto" class=""><br class=""></div><div dir="auto" class="">Seats 1 and 2: Two of the past chairs or past co-chairs of the AFRINIC policy development working group (PDWG).</div><div dir="auto" class=""><br class=""></div><div dir="auto" class="">+1 and in support of the selection of seat 1 and 2 as those make sense.</div><div dir="auto" class=""><br class=""></div><div dir="auto" class=""><br class=""></div><div dir="auto" class="">For Seats 3 and 4: I wonder if other RIR's have provisions that require members from the AFRINIC region to seat in their appeal committees? </div></div></div></blockquote><div class=""><br class=""></div>Other RIRs have very different circumstances. As is often pointed out even when the circumstances in the AfriNIC region are not so different. However, in this case, they are quite different. No other RIR has such a degree of infighting nor such a large degree of mistrust among the factions around their policy proposals. Indeed, in the other regions, the factions on any given policy proposal are often quite different and you don’t find nearly identical groups clumping together in support or opposition of a proposal as you do in the AfriNIC region. Indeed, to the best of my knowledge, no other RIR has even such a review committee in the first place.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">I don’t know the appeal process (if one exists) in RIPE, LACNIC, or APNIC, but in the ARIN region, the process is governed by what we call the petition process. If members of the community dislike a decision of the ARIN Advisory Council, they can petition that action on the mailing list. If enough other independent participants express support for the petition, </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Details are here: <a href="https://www.arin.net/policy/pdp_petitions.html" class="">https://www.arin.net/policy/pdp_petitions.html</a></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><div dir="auto" class=""><div dir="auto" class="">I fail to understand the rational around selecting 2 members from 2 different RIR's as if the AFRINIC community lacks people within our region who can fill up seats 3 and 4.</div></div></div></blockquote><div class=""><br class=""></div>I believe the intent is to create a greater degree of independence from the internal politics inherent in the AfriNIC region and to increase the transparency and fairness of the process. I think this is a legitimate approach in this case because, frankly, I think that members from different RIRs are more likely to examine the issue purely on the record and the merits of the arguments without regard for the factionalism and politics involved. These are issues that simply either don’t exist or are a much much smaller problem in the other RIRs.</div><div class=""><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><div dir="auto" class=""><div dir="auto" class="">For Seat 5: A current or past chair or vice chair of the NRO NC/ASO AC, who is not from the AFRINIC region.</div><div dir="auto" class=""><br class=""></div><div dir="auto" class="">What is the rational behind this? I mean the Afrinic board cant find, out of a continent with 1.2 billion people, one person from within the AFRINIC numbering or names community who can take up seat 5?.</div></div></div></blockquote><div class=""><br class=""></div>Again, I believe that the intent here is similar to the intent with seats 3 and 4. I consider this an entirely reasonable approach to maintaining the independence of the appeals committee and applaud the board’s wisdom and foresight in this matter.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Owen</div><div class=""><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><div dir="auto" class=""><div dir="auto" class=""><br class=""></div><div dir="auto" class=""><br class=""></div><div dir="auto" class=""><div data-smartmail="gmail_signature" dir="auto" class="">Cheers,</div><div data-smartmail="gmail_signature" dir="auto" class="">Noah</div></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br class=""><div class="gmail_quote">On 19 Jul 2017 3:54 p.m., "Sunday Folayan" <<a href="mailto:sfolayan@gmail.com" class="">sfolayan@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br type="attribution" class=""><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Dear PDWG,<br class="">
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The AFRINIC Board of Directors intends to establish an Appeal Committee to give effect to the requirements in section 3.5 of the Consolidated Policy Manual (that is, the Conflict resolution portion of the Policy Development Process).<br class="">
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The Appeal Committee Terms of Reference (version 1) is published at <a href="https://afrinic.net/en/community/working-groups/policy-appeal" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank" class="">https://afrinic.net/en/communi<wbr class="">ty/working-groups/policy-<wbr class="">appeal</a><br class="">
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The Board calls for comments on the Terms of Reference for a 30 day period, ending on 19 August 2017. Comments may be sent to the RPD mailing list <<a href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net" target="_blank" class="">rpd@afrinic.net</a>>.<br class="">
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The Board intends to appoint an interim Appeal Committee without delay, to cater for the possibility that an appeal might be filed before the comments on the Terms of reference can be taken into account. We seek the cooperation of the community in this regard.<br class="">
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