<div dir="auto"><div><br><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 28 Jul 2017 10:17 a.m., "Frank Habicht" <<a href="mailto:geier@geier.ne.tz" target="_blank">geier@geier.ne.tz</a>> wrote:<br type="attribution"><blockquote class="m_2455669457493589672quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Hi all,<br>
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On 7/28/2017 9:17 AM, Noah wrote:<br>
> We supporters of an updated Softlanding policy believe in the impact<br>
> that a public IP address can have on our peoples lives.<br>
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</div>... but not when it sits in the bank (AfriNIC) - only if it gets used<br>
through delegation .... to RIR members<br></blockquote></div></div></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><span style="font-family:sans-serif;font-size:13.696px">They will not sit there forever, they will continue to be delegated as per the recommendations in the draft policy.</span><br></div><div dir="auto"><span style="font-family:sans-serif;font-size:13.696px"><br></span></div><div dir="auto"><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="m_2455669457493589672quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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> Its a fact that an IP address has been responsible for the creation of<br>
> jobs and most of you if not all of you in this community in one way or<br>
> another are positively affected by the internet.<br>
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</div>... but not when it sits in the bank (AfriNIC) - only if it gets used<br>
through delegation .... to RIR members<br>
[only few (AfriNIC staff) have the job of dealing with IPs in the bank]<br></blockquote></div></div></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><br><span style="font-family:sans-serif;font-size:13.696px">They will not sit there forever, they will continue to be delegated as per the recommendations in the draft policy.</span><br></div><div dir="auto"><span style="font-family:sans-serif;font-size:13.696px"><br></span></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="m_2455669457493589672quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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> Our governements though the LIR's and PI resource members of Afrinic<br>
> collect taxes from this businesses hence develop our respective countries.<br>
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</div>only for delegated IPs...<br></blockquote></div></div></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><br><span style="font-family:sans-serif;font-size:13.696px">They will not sit there forever, they will continue to be delegated as per the recommendations in the draft policy.</span><br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="m_2455669457493589672quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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> The IP address has enabled egoverment and now the administrative state<br>
> can serve citizens through egov services thereby increase government<br>
> effeciency and more and more of our African governments are putting<br>
> information online.<br>
<br>
</div>... but not when it sits in the bank (AfriNIC) - only if it gets used<br>
through delegation .... to RIR members<br></blockquote></div></div></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><br><span style="font-family:sans-serif;font-size:13.696px">They will not sit there forever, they will continue to be delegated as per the recommendations in the draft policy.</span><br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="m_2455669457493589672quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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> The IP address is responsible for research and education institutes<br>
> today across the continent to communicate and share ideas and our<br>
> scholars are able to interact by means of the African Internet.<br>
<br>
</div>... but not when it sits in the bank (AfriNIC) - only if it gets used<br>
through delegation .... to RIR members<br></blockquote></div></div></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><br><span style="font-family:sans-serif;font-size:13.696px">They will not sit there forever, they will continue to be delegated as per the recommendations in the draft policy.</span><br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="m_2455669457493589672quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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> The IP address has enabled access to information beyond our reach and<br>
> this access to information is enabling our people effect socio-economic<br>
> and political change.<br>
<br>
</div>... but not when it sits in the bank (AfriNIC) - only if it gets used<br>
through delegation .... to RIR members<br></blockquote></div></div></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><br><span style="font-family:sans-serif;font-size:13.696px">They will not sit there forever, they will continue to be delegated as per the recommendations in the draft policy.</span><br></div><div dir="auto"><span style="font-family:sans-serif;font-size:13.696px"><br></span></div><div dir="auto"><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="m_2455669457493589672quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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> The IP address has enabled ecommerse and has empowered local fintech<br>
> innovations like mobile money which has fundamentally had a profound<br>
> effect on our peoples lives.<br>
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</div>... but not when it sits in the bank (AfriNIC) - only if it gets used<br>
through delegation .... to RIR members<br></blockquote></div></div></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><br><span style="font-family:sans-serif;font-size:13.696px">They will not sit there forever, they will continue to be delegated as per the recommendations in the draft policy.</span><br></div><div dir="auto"><span style="font-family:sans-serif;font-size:13.696px"><br></span></div><div dir="auto"><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="m_2455669457493589672quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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> The Internet that is a social media enabler has enabled young men and<br>
> women across this continent to access a local market and trade online on<br>
> ecommerce platforms where they dont have to own physical stores/shops<br>
> but they can market and sale their products online and deliver the same<br>
> to the buyers.<br>
<br>
</div>... but not when it sits in the bank (AfriNIC) - only if it gets used<br>
through delegation .... to RIR members<br></blockquote></div></div></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><br><span style="font-family:sans-serif;font-size:13.696px">They will not sit there forever, they will continue to be delegated as per the recommendations in the draft policy.</span><br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="m_2455669457493589672quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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> With a surge in high unemployments rates across sub-sahara Africa, many<br>
> unemployed graduates are finding a reason to hope as platforms like<br>
> Instagram, facebook and others are enabling them to access followers who<br>
> in one or another have turned out to be a customer or client base.<br>
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</div>... but not when the IP address sits in the bank (AfriNIC) - only if it<br>
gets used through delegation .... to RIR members<br></blockquote></div></div></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><br><span style="font-family:sans-serif;font-size:13.696px">They will not sit there forever, they will continue to be delegated as per the recommendations in the draft policy.</span><br></div><div dir="auto"><span style="font-family:sans-serif;font-size:13.696px"><br></span></div><div dir="auto"><span style="font-family:sans-serif;font-size:13.696px"><br></span></div><div dir="auto"><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="m_2455669457493589672quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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> Our local musicians today are reaching a far bigger audience that has<br>
> enabled them grow their artistic talent beyond Africa and our Afrobeat<br>
> music and house music is now listened and enjoyed by folks from all<br>
> works of life. They are enabling us change our story.<br>
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</div>... but not when the IP address sits in the bank (AfriNIC) - only if it<br>
gets used through delegation .... to RIR members<br></blockquote></div></div></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><br><span style="font-family:sans-serif;font-size:13.696px">They will not sit there forever, they will continue to be delegated as per the recommendations in the draft policy.</span></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="m_2455669457493589672quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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> The IP address bas enables our friends who come to tour our beautiful<br>
> continent access to more local information about our various countries<br>
> thereby enabling us collect revenue and create jobs and build our<br>
> hospitality industry.<br>
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</div>not when the status in the AfriNIC DB is "available"<br></blockquote></div></div></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Yet they will be available in the IPv4 transfer market.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="m_2455669457493589672quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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> Lets not kid ourselves. As the vendors continue fixing the IPv6 software<br>
> stacks, IPv4 still works and IPv4 will not be less useful anytime soon<br>
> because vendors across the board still make a killing out of IPv4.<br>
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</div>But some time IPv4 addresses will be less useful than now.<br></blockquote></div></div></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Yes and their uselessness will depend on the enviroment in which they are used.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="m_2455669457493589672quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
Do we want that to happen sooner or later?<br></blockquote></div></div></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">When you plant a seed, does the seed turn into tree in a fortnight?</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="m_2455669457493589672quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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> Big telecoms have invested in legacy equipmemts and still returning<br>
> their investments.<br>
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</div>Do they want to keep more IPv4 addresses longer with AfriNIC?<br>
I think not.<br></blockquote></div></div></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Obviously note but yet other RIR still keep them and generate revenue from then courtesy of the IPv4 transfer market and previous memberships.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="m_2455669457493589672quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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> Big internet companies that depends on global numbers which are mainly<br>
> still accessible via the IPv4 internet wont risk loosing this market.<br>
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</div>Do they want more users connected on IPv4 this year or in 5 years?<br></blockquote></div></div></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Ask one telecom that roled out IPv6 in Africa to its users only to come to the realization that millions of their end user devices dont support IPv6 as they had thought even though some Ivy class users had updated better versions.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="m_2455669457493589672quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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> Some startups will be seeking addresses to atleast support critical<br>
> infrastucture like DNS and Web servers if there is none from Afrinic,<br>
> you be forced to pay more expensively from those who have the space.<br>
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</div>That above is the one part I agree with.<br></blockquote></div></div></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Its a fact.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="m_2455669457493589672quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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> Facebook, youtube,uber,twitter,google,in<wbr>stagram,apple,microsoft,airbnb<br>
> to name but a few are software companies that have created jobs and are<br>
> making millions of dollars and affecting lives because the Ip addresses<br>
> made it possible.<br>
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</div>... but not when it sits in the bank (AfriNIC) - only if it gets used<br>
through delegation .... to RIR members<br></blockquote></div></div></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><span style="font-family:sans-serif;font-size:13.696px">They will not sit there forever, they will continue to be delegated as per the recommendations in the draft policy.</span><br></div><div dir="auto"><span style="font-family:sans-serif;font-size:13.696px"><br></span></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="m_2455669457493589672quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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> The IP address is what makes you and me pay our bills within our domain<br>
> of ICT.<br>
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</div>... but not when it sits in the bank (AfriNIC) - only if it gets used<br>
through delegation .... to RIR members<br></blockquote></div></div></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><span style="font-family:sans-serif;font-size:13.696px">They will not sit there forever, they will continue to be delegated as per the recommendations in the draft policy.</span><br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="m_2455669457493589672quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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> There million dollar IPv4 transfer market is here to stay and late<br>
> entreprenuers and startups will pay more expensively for an IP address<br>
> post IPv4 exhaustion which could potentially discourage investment in<br>
> the IP related investments.<br>
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</div>and the IPs will be more costly if we artificially keep more IPv4<br>
addresses out of reach.<br></blockquote></div></div></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Costly from Afrinic as the one evaluating and delegating or costly when the price of an IP addresses is determine by the scarcity of the IP address in the transfer market.?</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="m_2455669457493589672quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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> The last IPv4 address ought to be handled with care hence further<br>
> recommendation on how to deal with this depletion scenario.<br>
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</div>Ok, i can give you one. One IPv4 address, take good care of it.<br>
;-)<br></blockquote></div></div></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Ack</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="m_2455669457493589672quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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> We can deplete fast but if any one of you tomorrow wants IP addresses<br>
> and cant get them from Afrinic, you will be forced to dance to the IPv4<br>
> brokers pricing.<br>
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</div>Fine. Just don't deny to LIRs what they need today.<br></blockquote></div></div></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Afrinic will not deny a justified request for allocation from the last pool as per the policy proposal.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="m_2455669457493589672quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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> You will be forced to look up to IPv4 brokers for address space and the<br>
> IPv4 broker will not trade space the same way Afrinic does.<br>
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</div>Yes. It's a limited resource. Life is really not fair sometimes.<br></blockquote></div></div></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Yet we can do something about it to make life fair also sometimes.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="m_2455669457493589672quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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> IPv4 is still relevant than you will ever imagine save for the rhetoric<br>
> around how IPv4 is legacy and not needed meanwhile millions of dollars<br>
> are exchanging hands in the IPv4 tranfer market.<br>
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</div>I agree it's needed, so let's give out IPs if they are needed.<br></blockquote></div></div></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">And they will be given.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="m_2455669457493589672quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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I can tell you one organisation that probably won't need any more IP<br>
addresses than they currently use themselves: AfriNIC.<br>
But they have more in the bank, and have the job to give them to members<br>
who use them.<br></blockquote></div></div></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Obviously but we are saying let that be in need basis.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="m_2455669457493589672quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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