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<font style="font-size: 12pt" size="3">Douglas, Andrew, Owen and
all,<br>
<br>
Just to clarify the Board's position on this.</font><br>
<br>
<font style="font-size: 12pt" size="3">The
Board assures all, that a committee will be available for
community
members to lodge their appeal once required as per the CPM.</font><br>
<br>
<font style="font-size: 12pt" size="3">The board will appoint an
appeal committee as soon as it becomes clear that there is a
likelihood of an appeal. For example, as soon as it becomes clear
that the discussions (in terms of the first sentence of CPM 3.5)
is likely to lead to continued disagreement.</font><br>
<br>
<font style="font-size: 12pt" size="3">Let
us not forget that the Co-Chairs are indeed required by the PDP to
make such declaration.</font><br>
<br>
<font style="font-size: 12pt" size="3">Nevertheless,
community members also have the option to raise this within the
PDWG itself
and if within a week the Co-Chairs and the aggrieved community
member
do not communicate a resolution, then the appeal can follow.</font><br>
<br>
<font style="font-size: 12pt" size="3">Note
that the PDP is silent on how long the deliberation can take, that
is why the Board suggested one week so that the community member
can still have the opportunity to appeal if applicable.</font><br>
<font style="font-size: 12pt" size="3"><br>
I
hope the Board position is clearer now.<br>
<br>
Sunday Folayan.<br>
Board Chair<br>
</font><font style="font-size: 12pt" size="3"></font><br>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 13/07/2017 09:28, Douglas Onyango
wrote:<br>
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cite="mid:CAKWXZPYW44mq0kYB17ODBwohV72WXX32HUiecGuhimCWmVVc+A@mail.gmail.com">
<pre wrap="">Mr Chair,
Unfortunately, I have to agree with Owen and the others on this.
Expecting the co-chairs to be the gateway to the appeal process just
isn’t pragmatic or wise. It is akin to asking the public to report
issues of Police abuse through the very same Police, which leaves room
for abuse and even more room for suspicion from the aggrieved party.
I earnestly hope the Board will rethink this position.
That being said, I agree with you that there is no need for a standing
committee for appeals: there just isn’t enough work for it. To be
sure, this is the first time I know of any serious intentions to use
this committee since afpub-2010-gen-005 was written in 2010/11.
I suggest that we take a two pronged approach to resolve this issue:
First, the Board appoints a standing committee immediately, so that we
are in compliance with 3.5 of the CPM and that any conflict/grievance
can be handled expeditiously.
Second, measures are taken immediately to review our policy to cover
the gaps and ambiguity we have uncovered. For instance, drafters of
the new Policy Development draft proposal
(AFPUB-2017-GEN-002-DRAFT-01) can make some revisions, so that appeals
can be reports and heard, without the need for a standing committee –
say via an adhoc committee that can be engaged and disengaged when
there are no appeals to be dealt with. At the same time other kinks in
the conflict resolution process can also be ironed out.
Regards,
On 13 July 2017 at 08:39, Sunday Folayan <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:sfolayan@gmail.com"><sfolayan@gmail.com></a> wrote:
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<pre wrap="">Dear Mr Alston,
Thank you very much for requesting the setup of an appeal committee.
The Board does not see the need to keep a standing committee to handle
appeals arising from Co-Chairs' decision on the PDWG.
If indeed there is the need to setup such a committee, the request will come
from the co-chairs, who will declare that they were not able to reach an
agreement with the aggrieved party, in accordance with Section 3.5 of the
CPM.
The interpretation of the Board is that two weeks begins from the date the
Co-Chairs inform the Board that they are not able to reach an agreement with
the aggrieved party. The Board will setup a committee within one week,
leaving a clear one week for the party to file the appeal.
Thanks and Regards,
Sunday.
On 12/07/2017 13:49, Sunday Folayan wrote:
Dear Mr Alston,
I acknowledge your request.
The Board will get back to you on this.
Kind Regards ...
Sunday.
On 12/07/2017 11:51, Andrew Alston wrote:
Let me put this another way - and I formally request that the board seek
legal opinion on this and provide this community feedback - in the event of
a clear and substantiated legal risk to the company - that has been
officially stated by legal council - existing, and a director continuing to
advocate for the same - does this not constitute a breach of section 143.c
and potentially 143.d of the Mauritian companies act.
While in the past we have all agreed that board members have the right to
partake in the PDP - something I fully and wholeheartedly support - and
while I think it is prudent to assume that legal risk raised must be clearly
substantiated before a breach of fiduciary duty can occur, I would like
legal view on where this line is - and I would like the board to provide
this feedback to the community in official capacity
Thanks
Andrew
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From: David Hilario <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:d.hilario@laruscloudservice.net"><d.hilario@laruscloudservice.net></a>
Sent: Wednesday, July 12, 2017 1:34:12 PM
To: Bope Domilongo Christian
Cc: rpd List
Subject: Re: [rpd] Last Call for "AFPUB-2016-GEN-001-DRAFT-04 - Internet
Number Resources Review by AFRINIC"
Hi Christian,
On 12 July 2017 at 12:01, Bope Domilongo Christian
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:christianbope@gmail.com"><christianbope@gmail.com></a> wrote:
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<pre wrap="">[Speaking on my own capacity]
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I understand this to mean the "board hat" has been removed.
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<pre wrap="">I have been in support of this review policy proposal since its inception
and have followed carefully the progression.
My support counted in those who made the policy proposal enter the last
call.
I expect its adoption as this region really needs such a POLICY
specifically
in post IPV4 transition and for the sake of transparency and
accountability
of the management of public resources.
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When it will be time for you to ratify the policy, with the "board
hat" back on, how can you possibly then ratify a policy that has a
direct negative feedback from the AFRINIC ltd's legal advisor from the
company you then represent?
A policy that potentially puts the company at risks according to the
legal advisor's own report.
Doesn't that puts you as a board of directors member, who is expected
to work in the best interest of the organisation "AFRINIC Ltd" in a
tough position to justify even considering passing such a policy, with
hat on or not.
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<pre wrap="">With Best Regards,
Christian D. Bope
On 12 July 2017 at 16:30, Noah <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:noah@neo.co.tz"><noah@neo.co.tz></a> wrote:
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On 12 Jul 2017 9:47 a.m., "Bill Woodcock" <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:woody@pch.net"><woody@pch.net></a> wrote:
18 Against:
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:chenghn@chinaccsi.com">"chenghn@chinaccsi.com"</a> <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:chenghn@chinaccsi.com"><chenghn@chinaccsi.com></a>
Andrew Alston <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:Andrew.Alston@liquidtelecom.com"><Andrew.Alston@liquidtelecom.com></a>
Bastein Li <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:bastienlee@qq.com"><bastienlee@qq.com></a>
Christopher Mwangi <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:christopher.mwangi@liquidtelecom.com"><christopher.mwangi@liquidtelecom.com></a>
David Hilario <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:d.hilario@laruscloudservice.net"><d.hilario@laruscloudservice.net></a>
Derrick Harrison <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:derrick.harrison@sonictelecoms.co.za"><derrick.harrison@sonictelecoms.co.za></a>
Douglas Onyango <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:ondouglas@gmail.com"><ondouglas@gmail.com></a>
Kris Seeburn <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:seeburn.k@gmail.com"><seeburn.k@gmail.com></a>
Lu Heng <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:h.lu@anytimechinese.com"><h.lu@anytimechinese.com></a>
Mark Elkins <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:mje@posix.co.za"><mje@posix.co.za></a>
Mark Tinka <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:mark.tinka@seacom.mu"><mark.tinka@seacom.mu></a>
McTim <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:dogwallah@gmail.com"><dogwallah@gmail.com></a>
Mike Silber <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:silber.mike@gmail.com"><silber.mike@gmail.com></a>
Nishal Goburdhan <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:nishal@controlfreak.co.za"><nishal@controlfreak.co.za></a>
Noah <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:noah@neo.co.tz"><noah@neo.co.tz></a>
S Moonesamy <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:sm+afrinic@elandsys.com"><sm+afrinic@elandsys.com></a>
Saul Stein <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:saul@enetworks.co.za"><saul@enetworks.co.za></a>
Hi Bill
on the contrary, I actually support the policy just like other folks
which
is why it reached the last call. This policy would enable AFRINIC just
like
ARIN, RIPE NCC and other RIR to effect compliance.
So, the next question might be whether this is a winner-take-all vote, or
an assessment of whether a clear consensus exists.
We continue to trust the co-chairs who have guided us to this stage.
Cheers
Noah
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