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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Hi Noah,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>It is understandable that there is confusion, but yes, to be crystal clear, ARIN does not really care whether the resources are utilized and they will not revoke even if none of them are used at all. I am an ARIN member with an allocation, and I can put it on the shelf forever, unused, so long as I pay my dues.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>The language below which is unclear relates to compliance with ARIN policy. But where is not using the addresses a violation of ARIN policy? <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Mike<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> Noah [mailto:noah@neo.co.tz] <br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, July 12, 2017 12:22 PM<br><b>To:</b> Mike Burns <mike@iptrading.com><br><b>Cc:</b> David Hilario <d.hilario@laruscloudservice.net>; rpd List <rpd@afrinic.net><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [rpd] Last Call for "AFPUB-2016-GEN-001-DRAFT-04 - Internet Number Resources Review by AFRINIC"<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Wed, Jul 12, 2017 at 7:08 PM, Mike Burns <<a href="mailto:mike@iptrading.com" target="_blank">mike@iptrading.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in'><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Hi Noah,</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Section 12 of the ARIN NRPM does not allow for revocation of resources for lack of utilization for original purpose.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Nor does the ARIN RSA enable ARIN to revoke and recover addresses for lack of utilization.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></blockquote><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Hi Mike,<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>So you mean ARIN with allocate and assign resources to an entity and ARIN would not really care whether the resources is utilized and as such they would not revoke it if I am reading you crystal clear.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>But then, why does ARIN have the below sections on <b>compliance</b> and what does compliance mean to ARIN. See bold sections.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><h3><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>12. Resource Review<o:p></o:p></span></h3><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:47.25pt;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'><![if !supportLists]><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>1.<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>- removed<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:47.25pt;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'><![if !supportLists]><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>2.<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>- removed<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:47.25pt;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'><![if !supportLists]><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>3.<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>- removed<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:47.25pt;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'><![if !supportLists]><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>4.<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>Organizations found by ARIN to be <b>materially out of compliance with current ARIN policy </b>shall be requested or required to <b>return resources </b>as needed to bring them into (or reasonably close to) <b>compliance</b>.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:83.25pt;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level2 lfo1'><![if !supportLists]><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>1.<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>The degree to which an organization may remain out of <b>compliance</b> shall be based on the <b>reasonable judgment of the ARIN staff </b>and shall balance all facts known, including the organization's utilization rate, available address pool, and other factors as appropriate so as to <b>avoid forcing returns which will result in near-term additional requests or unnecessary route de-aggregation.</b><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;margin-left:83.25pt;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level2 lfo1'><![if !supportLists]><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>2.<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif'>To the extent possible, entire blocks should be <b>returned</b>. Partial address blocks shall be returned in such a way that the portion retained will comprise a single aggregate block.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Sorry english is foreign to me, so more clarification for me since compliance to me i believe is related to utilisation.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Cheers, <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Noah<o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div></div></div></body></html>