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<p>Dear Mr Alston,</p>
<p>The Board will get back to you and the community on this, within
the next day.</p>
<p>Thanks and Regards ...</p>
<p>Sunday.<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 11/07/2017 14:06, Andrew Alston
wrote:<br>
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<div style="direction:ltr">Hi Board,</div>
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<div style="direction:ltr">Under section 3.5 of the CPM the
board is mandated to have appointed an appeal committee to
appeal the decision of the chairs should a member of the
community disagree with said decision.</div>
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<div style="direction:ltr">Please can the board - as a matter
of urgency - inform this community who sits on the appeal
committee - who chairs it - and where appeals can be
directed to.</div>
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face="Calibri, sans-serif" color="#000000"><b>From:</b> Andrew
Alston <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:Andrew.Alston@liquidtelecom.com"><Andrew.Alston@liquidtelecom.com></a><br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, July 11, 2017 3:45:28 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Omo Oaiya; Owen DeLong<br>
<b>Cc:</b> AfriNIC RPD MList.<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [rpd] Last Call for
"AFPUB-2016-GEN-001-DRAFT-04 - Internet Number Resources
Review by AFRINIC"</font>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;
font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Omo,</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;
font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Need a remind
you, rough consensus is achieved when all issued have been
addressed but not necessarily accommodated.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;
font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">So, let us
look at this firstly the legal advisor is explicitly
stating in his letter to this community that the issued
have not be addressed.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;
font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Secondly, even
if each and every issued had been addressed and not
accommodated we then get into the issue of board
fiduciary duty. The legal advisor to the company has
advised publicly that this policy creates substantial
legal risk to the company. At that point, even if the
policy passed consensus on this list with a warning like
that, it could very easily be argued that the board has a
fiduciary duty to decline to ratify this.</span></p>
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font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;
font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">So one of
two things
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;
font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">a.) either we
discount the legal advisor stating the issued have not
been addressed in which consensus has not been reached
and the policy should be returned for further edits or
withdrawn as per the PDP or</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;
font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">b.) we
consider that the issued have been addressed yet not
accommodated in which case I would argue the board has a
legal obligation to decline to ratify the policy on the
grounds of risk to the company as stated by the legal
advisor. In this scenario continuing with this process
seems pointless since the policy cant ever actually make
it into fruition.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;
font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Furthermore, I
point to my email in response to Ashok and what the
current RSA says and I would STRONGLY argue that binding
a company to this policy in its current form is in the
detriment of the company, which means that a modification
to the RSA almost certainly has to be *<b>agreed</b>* by
the contracting parties, both AfriNIC and the individual
member (it cannot be done collectively, since, as Ashok
said, the RSA is between AfriNIC and a member and is a two
party contract). Right now if faced with an RSA that
bound me to a policy such as this one I can tell you I
would fight very hard against agreeing to it.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;
font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Then there is
another issue by forcing any entity to be bound by a
policy like this while denying said entity the right to
go elsewhere with their resources you could well open
another can of worms but that can of worms I will
address on another day in another email, those who know to
what I refer are free to elaborate further if they choose.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;
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Omo Oaiya [<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:Omo.Oaiya@wacren.net">mailto:Omo.Oaiya@wacren.net</a>]
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<b>Sent:</b> 11 July 2017 11:27<br>
<b>To:</b> Owen DeLong <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:owen@delong.com"><owen@delong.com></a><br>
<b>Cc:</b> AfriNIC RPD MList. <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net"><rpd@afrinic.net></a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [rpd] Last Call for
"AFPUB-2016-GEN-001-DRAFT-04 - Internet Number Resources
Review by AFRINIC"</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Owen,</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">The final legal feedback
notwithstanding (which I am sure the authors will
respond to), I only see negative feedback from a handful
of people. The fact that this is voiced repeatedly does
not in any way increase the volume.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">It is your misinterpretation that is
more likely to be confusing to the community. Resource
review is essential activity for Internet registries
even if they are only bookkeepers like some would have
them be. </p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">AFRINIC would be failing in its
accountability to the community without a policy like
this. Please let the Co-Chairs do their job </p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Omo</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On 10 July 2017 at 23:18, Owen
DeLong <<a href="mailto:owen@delong.com"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">owen@delong.com</a>>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Sami,<br>
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The final legal feedback notwithstanding, I
think there has been more than enough negative
feedback in this last call to make it quite
clear that this policy does NOT have consensus
at this time and I urge the co-chairs to remand
it to the authors and the list for further
refinement or abandonment rather than leaving it
in last call status. There is no reason for last
call to be maintained beyond the point where
clearly the policy has no consensus as is and
will need substantial revision. It only confuses
the community.<br>
<span style="color:#888888"><br>
<span
class="m55375853788510904m1062909282635004837gmail-hoenzb">Owen</span></span></p>
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> On Jul 10, 2017, at 12:55 , SamiSalih
<<a href="mailto:sami@ntc.gov.sd"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">sami@ntc.gov.sd</a>>
wrote:<br>
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> Dear Andrew and Community,<br>
><br>
> As section (3.4.3) of the CPM stated
the last call can't be less than two week,
however the document didn't specify exact
period for last call to be concluded.<br>
><br>
> Please refer to the last Call section
in the following link<br>
> <a
href="http://www.afrinic.net/library/policies/1829-afrinic-consolidated-policy-manual#PolicyDevelopmentProcess"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">
http://www.afrinic.net/library/policies/1829-afrinic-consolidated-policy-manual#PolicyDevelopmentProcess</a><br>
><br>
> The Co-chair are evaluating feedbacks
specially those related to the legal issues
in the policy and as you know we just
received the final assessment of the legal
advisor today.<br>
><br>
> Best Regards,<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> Dr. Sami Salih | Assistant Professor<br>
> Sudan University of Science and
Technology<br>
> Eastern Dum, P.O Box 11111-407<br>
> email: <a
href="mailto:sami.salih@sustech.edu"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">sami.salih@sustech.edu</a><br>
> Mob: <a href="tel:%2B249122045707"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">+249122045707</a><br>
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> ----- Original Message -----<br>
>> From: "Andrew Alston" <<a
href="mailto:Andrew.Alston@liquidtelecom.com"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">Andrew.Alston@liquidtelecom.com</a>><br>
>> To: <a
href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">rpd@afrinic.net</a><br>
>> Sent: Monday, July 10, 2017 9:53:22
PM<br>
>> Subject: Re: [rpd] Last Call for
"AFPUB-2016-GEN-001-DRAFT-04 - Internet
Number Resources Review by AFRINIC"<br>
>><br>
>> By the way, as a question to the
RPD co-chairs.<br>
>><br>
>> Standard process is that last call
is a 2 week period. By my count, last<br>
>> call has now been open longer than
that on this policy - can we get can<br>
>> indication from the co-chairs as to
when consensus or lack thereof will be<br>
>> declared for this last call period
please.<br>
>><br>
>> Thanks<br>
>><br>
>> Andrew<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> -----Original Message-----<br>
>> From: Ashok Radhakissoon [mailto:<a
href="mailto:ashok@afrinic.net"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">ashok@afrinic.net</a>]<br>
>> Sent: 10 July 2017 14:07<br>
>> To: <a
href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">rpd@afrinic.net</a><br>
>> Subject: [rpd] Last Call for
"AFPUB-2016-GEN-001-DRAFT-04 - Internet
Number<br>
>> Resources Review by AFRINIC"<br>
>><br>
>> Dear All,<br>
>> Find for your consideration my
final assessment of the proposed policy
under<br>
>> reference.<br>
>> Regards<br>
>> Ashok.B.Radhakissoon<br>
>> Legal Adviser<br>
>> AFRINIC<br>
>>
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