<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=UTF-8"></head><body><div style="word-break;keep-all;"> ... I get it now.<br>+1<br><br>- Vitus<br><br><br><br>Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.<br></div><br><br>-------- Original message --------<br>From: Ornella GANKPA <honest1989@gmail.com> <br>Date:06/28/2017 9:30 AM (GMT+00:00) <br>To: rpd@afrinic.net <br>Cc: <br>Subject: Re: [rpd] AFRINIC Policy Development Process Bis Proposal: the way forward <br><br>
<p>Dear all,<br>
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The community was hoping that co-chairs will moderate the
discussion on the list and keep it policy related in order to
maintain an objective and constructive debate. <br>
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The co-chairs should also urge community members from
philanthropic organisation, aid agencies and experts on lecturing
others to move non-related policy discussions on Community
discussion list.<br>
<br>
Unfortunately the current PDP doesn't mandate co-chairs to
moderate debate on the rpd list.<br>
<br>
The latest (derailed) dicussions around this proposal [1] prove
yet again that the current PDP is not efficient and does not
reflect the experience and maturity this community has achieved
along the years. <br>
<br>
We need to improve our pdp and empower co-chairs by providing good
mechanisms to moderate the PDWG efficiently[2].<br>
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[1]<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://afrinic.net/en/community/policy-development/policy-proposals/2073-internet-number-resources-review-by-afrinic">https://afrinic.net/en/community/policy-development/policy-proposals/2073-internet-number-resources-review-by-afrinic</a>
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[2]<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://afrinic.net/en/community/policy-development/policy-proposals/2083-afrinic-policy-development-process-bis">https://afrinic.net/en/community/policy-development/policy-proposals/2083-afrinic-policy-development-process-bis</a>
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<br>
Best regards,<br>
</p>
<pre class="moz-signature" cols="72">Honest Ornella GANKPA</pre>
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<div><font face="arial, helvetica,
sans-serif">Dear All,</font></div>
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<div><font face="arial, helvetica,
sans-serif">Thank you for your
contributions and we look forward to
more of them. </font></div>
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<div><font face="arial, helvetica,
sans-serif">This thread is not supposed
to be a dialogue between initiators and
the community about the chairmanship
model of the PDWG, But we sense, looking
at the various replies, that providing
more clarifications may help.</font></div>
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<div><font face="arial, helvetica,
sans-serif">AFRINIC PDP has been
organized since the beginning around a
Working Group and this has been
re-introduced in the current PDP adopted
in 2010. A definition of PDWG can be
found in section 3.3 of both current
PDP manual and PDP-bis proposal. </font></div>
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<div><font face="arial, helvetica,
sans-serif">PDP-bis current proposal for
chairmanship is about “chair and
vice-chair”. Both are elected by the
Working Group and responsible for the
administration of the Working Group.
There is just an hierarchy in the roles
and responsibilities. The Chair is the
primary contact for the working group
and work with the vice-chair to whom he
may delegate some of his
responsibilities and powers. The Chair
is the sole responsible in case of
appeal. This model can also be renamed
as “Chair and Co-chair”.</font></div>
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<div><font face="arial, helvetica,
sans-serif">Current PDP is not explicit
about the administrative functions
performed by the co-chairs and does
not provide them with appropriate
mechanisms to manage the PDWG and the
policy proposals works, efficiently. </font></div>
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<div><font face="arial, helvetica,
sans-serif"> The only place one can see
co-chairs roles and responsibilities
description is at <a
href="https://www.afrinic.net/en/community/policy-development/pdwg"
moz-do-not-send="true">https://www.afrinic.net/en/community/policy-development/pdwg</a>
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<div><font face="arial, helvetica,
sans-serif"><span class="gmail-Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>•<span class="gmail-Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>Determining
whether there is consensus during public
policy discussions.</font></div>
<div><font face="arial, helvetica,
sans-serif"><span class="gmail-Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>•<span class="gmail-Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>Publishing
minutes of the proceedings of public
policy meetings.</font></div>
<div><font face="arial, helvetica,
sans-serif"><span class="gmail-Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>•<span class="gmail-Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>Initiation
and termination of final review of
proposals (Last Call).</font></div>
<div><font face="arial, helvetica,
sans-serif"><span class="gmail-Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>•<span class="gmail-Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>Sending
a report of the outcomes of policy
discussions at public policy meetings to
the Board of Directors.</font></div>
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<div><font face="arial, helvetica,
sans-serif">As you can see, Co-chairs
have no role in Working group
discussions moderation and policy
proposal except at PPM. Thus we cannot
currently see inefficiency and conflict
in their moderation style as they are
barely moderating / engaging in
discussions at all on rpd at afrinic dot
net mailing list.</font></div>
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<div><font face="arial, helvetica,
sans-serif">Co-chairs decisions at PPM
about consensus have always been
problematic. Listen to participants at
mic and count show of hands (always
claimed to not be a voting), discuss and
decide on the fly. We have seen tension
among co-chairs and out-of-band
discussions where co-chair expressed
objections to some of the decisions
taken during PPM by the team. </font></div>
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<div><font face="arial, helvetica,
sans-serif">We were not looking for
support (or objections) with our initial
post. Initiators believe that the
current policy development process
should be improved to match best current
practices.</font></div>
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<div><font face="arial, helvetica,
sans-serif">chairmanship model is just
ONE area of improvements that is
discussed in the proposal. We invite
participants to read the full text of
the proposal(1) and have a look at the
presentation(2) made during the PPM
(Explaining the goal of our post, and
stop "i oppose" session).</font></div>
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<div><font face="arial, helvetica,
sans-serif">Thanks.</font></div>
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<div><font face="arial, helvetica,
sans-serif">[1] <a
href="https://afrinic.net/fr/community/policy-development/policy-proposals/2083-afrinic-policy-development-process-bis"
moz-do-not-send="true">https://afrinic.net/fr/community/policy-development/policy-proposals/2083-afrinic-policy-development-process-bis</a></font></div>
<div><font face="arial, helvetica,
sans-serif">[2] <a
href="http://www.trstech.net/alain/public/AFRINIC-Policy-development-process-Bis-AIS17.pdf"
moz-do-not-send="true">http://www.trstech.net/alain/public/AFRINIC-Policy-development-process-Bis-AIS17.pdf</a> </font></div>
<div><font face="arial, helvetica,
sans-serif"><a
href="http://www.trstech.net/alain/public/pdp-process-bis-chart-AIS17.pdf"
moz-do-not-send="true">http://www.trstech.net/alain/public/pdp-process-bis-chart-AIS17.pdf</a></font></div>
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