<div dir="auto"><div><div data-smartmail="gmail_signature">On 27 Jun 2017 9:35 p.m., "Kris Seeburn" <<a href="mailto:seeburn.k@gmail.com" target="_blank">seeburn.k@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="m_4217013104812397877m_6041725553098622360quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto"><div>Tutu or whichever alias is used,</div><div id="m_4217013104812397877m_6041725553098622360m_-8511802026959469752AppleMailSignature"><br></div><div id="m_4217013104812397877m_6041725553098622360m_-8511802026959469752AppleMailSignature">You better have a look at icp2 that is where icann / iana defines the role of a rir.</div><div id="m_4217013104812397877m_6041725553098622360m_-8511802026959469752AppleMailSignature"><br></div><div id="m_4217013104812397877m_6041725553098622360m_-8511802026959469752AppleMailSignature">Some</div><div id="m_4217013104812397877m_6041725553098622360m_-8511802026959469752AppleMailSignature">Things are privileged information. Even we</div><div id="m_4217013104812397877m_6041725553098622360m_-8511802026959469752AppleMailSignature">As having been board members had no access to</div><div id="m_4217013104812397877m_6041725553098622360m_-8511802026959469752AppleMailSignature">Those information. It is attached within the bounds of the CEO and staff. </div><div id="m_4217013104812397877m_6041725553098622360m_-8511802026959469752AppleMailSignature"><br></div><div id="m_4217013104812397877m_6041725553098622360m_-8511802026959469752AppleMailSignature">Rules which you want to change are</div><div id="m_4217013104812397877m_6041725553098622360m_-8511802026959469752AppleMailSignature">Beyond ourselves. That is why a</div><div id="m_4217013104812397877m_6041725553098622360m_-8511802026959469752AppleMailSignature">Policy is being proposed.but a policy does not override what an rir has signed with icann on first place.</div><div id="m_4217013104812397877m_6041725553098622360m_-8511802026959469752AppleMailSignature"><br></div><div id="m_4217013104812397877m_6041725553098622360m_-8511802026959469752AppleMailSignature">People we need to be rational know our limits.</div><div id="m_4217013104812397877m_6041725553098622360m_-8511802026959469752AppleMailSignature">And bear in mind that RIPE act based on enough proof to carry out an audit. Not because is talking about a suspicion that can lead to legal</div><div id="m_4217013104812397877m_6041725553098622360m_-8511802026959469752AppleMailSignature">Implications. Be wary of that, I could also anonymously say that "seacom" are</div><div id="m_4217013104812397877m_6041725553098622360m_-8511802026959469752AppleMailSignature">Malicious using the resources or</div><div id="m_4217013104812397877m_6041725553098622360m_-8511802026959469752AppleMailSignature">Someone else as well. Where is the proof</div><div id="m_4217013104812397877m_6041725553098622360m_-8511802026959469752AppleMailSignature">That would pull The resources to do so. </div><div id="m_4217013104812397877m_6041725553098622360m_-8511802026959469752AppleMailSignature"><br></div><div id="m_4217013104812397877m_6041725553098622360m_-8511802026959469752AppleMailSignature">As nishal said there should. Be no</div><div id="m_4217013104812397877m_6041725553098622360m_-8511802026959469752AppleMailSignature">Exception at all. No one gets</div><div id="m_4217013104812397877m_6041725553098622360m_-8511802026959469752AppleMailSignature">Away but who will</div><div id="m_4217013104812397877m_6041725553098622360m_-8511802026959469752AppleMailSignature">Provide the money and resources to</div><div id="m_4217013104812397877m_6041725553098622360m_-8511802026959469752AppleMailSignature">Audit our 1500 Members. I also know of academia not respecting the sla should we</div><div id="m_4217013104812397877m_6041725553098622360m_-8511802026959469752AppleMailSignature">Take their resources away. Some</div><div id="m_4217013104812397877m_6041725553098622360m_-8511802026959469752AppleMailSignature">Are making some</div><div id="m_4217013104812397877m_6041725553098622360m_-8511802026959469752AppleMailSignature">Money with that and they are supposed to</div><div id="m_4217013104812397877m_6041725553098622360m_-8511802026959469752AppleMailSignature">So apart from</div><div id="m_4217013104812397877m_6041725553098622360m_-8511802026959469752AppleMailSignature">Research.</div><div id="m_4217013104812397877m_6041725553098622360m_-8511802026959469752AppleMailSignature"><br></div><div id="m_4217013104812397877m_6041725553098622360m_-8511802026959469752AppleMailSignature">Lets be very pragmatic and not with hunts from</div><div id="m_4217013104812397877m_6041725553098622360m_-8511802026959469752AppleMailSignature">A policy designed such ways.</div><font color="#888888"><div id="m_4217013104812397877m_6041725553098622360m_-8511802026959469752AppleMailSignature"></div></font></div></blockquote></div></div></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Brother Kris,</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">but the afrinic role of giving ip address also can be role of returning of not usable. why this is not good things. if they dont use properly why mustn't they returned it.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">so you said the other RIR like the RIPE will do review audits. so then  no problem if the Afrinic did the same as this policy proposed. why people will be afraid like this?</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">shall we say or refused policy propositions due to some ISP big or small being afraid as if they hide something.?</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><span style="font-family:sans-serif">Best Regards,</span><br style="font-family:sans-serif"><span style="font-family:sans-serif">Tutu Ngcaba</span></div></div>