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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Sorry to say this Boubakar, and Omo, but your logic is horrifically flawed.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Audits cost time – Audits cost money – the bigger the organization and the more resource involved – the larger the cost – and someone has to pick
up those costs. Under the current policy – if the audit is proved to be futile – money will have been wasted – LARGE amounts of it – and since the policy refuses to disclose who ASKED for the audit in the first place – the organisation being audited has no
recourse against fallacious accusations – and yes – that may well get AfriNIC sued.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">While I realize from some entirely naïve academic perspective auditing IP resources might sound like a simple task – it isn’t – always that simple
– because the definition of audit says verify – and organisations that have thousands and thousands of assignments will need significant resources and money to complete such a task – a cost that must be born by someone.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">As for the complaints about the Chinese involvement – say what you like, if a member is here on this list and objecting – they have every right to
do so – enshrined in the PDP is that ALL members of the community have a say and consensus must be based on ALL members, not those we like, those we agree with, those that speak our language, those that live in our countries, THE ENTIRE COMMUNITY.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">What guides that? It’s simple – there are people who are investing on this continent – and they have just as much right to say what needs to be
said and to express their opinions and have their voices heard. These anti-chinese comments seem to border on out and out xenophobia – and I find them quite frankly sickening.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Boubakar Barry [mailto:boubakarbarry@gmail.com]
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<b>Sent:</b> 27 June 2017 16:02<br>
<b>To:</b> Jackson Muthili <jacksonmuthi@gmail.com><br>
<b>Cc:</b> rpd >> AfriNIC Resource Policy <rpd@afrinic.net><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [rpd] Last Call for "AFPUB-2016-GEN-001-DRAFT-04 - Internet Number Resources Review by AFRINIC"<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Tue, Jun 27, 2017 at 12:45 PM, Jackson Muthili <<a href="mailto:jacksonmuthi@gmail.com" target="_blank">jacksonmuthi@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span class="gmail-">On Tue, Jun 27, 2017 at 3:12 PM, Omo Oaiya <<a href="mailto:Omo.Oaiya@wacren.net">Omo.Oaiya@wacren.net</a>> wrote:</span><br>
<span class="gmail-">> Lu,</span><br>
<span class="gmail-">></span><br>
<span class="gmail-">> I am uncomfortable with the increased Chinese presence on this matter Lu.</span><br>
<span class="gmail-">> It seems to me that “substantial opposition” is being drummed up so this</span><br>
<span class="gmail-">> does not pass.</span><br>
<span class="gmail-">></span><br>
<span class="gmail-">> I am also uncomfortable with the repeated legal threats which in my opinion</span><br>
<span class="gmail-">> have no basis if the fundamental contract that governs the relationship with</span><br>
<span class="gmail-">> members is violated.</span><br>
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1. If there is nothing to hide there is no need to be afraid of audits.<br>
2. AfriNIC cannot be held ransom by legal threats from - let's face it<br>
- a few individuals. AfriNIC is bigger than "a company with a /12" and<br>
AfriNIC can claim the /12 back if breach and lack of compliance is<br>
detected. There will always be threats to sue especially if some<br>
individuals selfish interests have been quashed.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">And I wouldn't have any problem AfriNIC being sued by people who are abusing the current process(es) and doing wrong things at the cost of the community. They will definitely lose.
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">What kind of behaviour is this? And look from where! If people are already threatening of suing AfriNIC because of this policy proposal, that means that they have things to hide.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">Enough for me to support the policy even more than at the beginning.<o:p></o:p></p>
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> Like I said, we wait for legal and I’d be inclined<br>
> to ask for a second opinion if what is clearly a straightforward matter is<br>
> couched in a manner to frighten the community.<br>
><br>
> I am also uncomfortable with you speaking for Kris. As far as I know, he<br>
> could not have been "responsible for the budget calculation". He was a<br>
> board member not in the executive. Perhaps he can speak up for himself and<br>
> tell us how he does the budget for AfriNIC.<br>
><br>
> You say AfriNIC is a book keeper. At least we agree that their<br>
> responsibility is to keep the books and audit is a necessary part of this.<br>
> Is Lu Heng a lawyer? I tire for the implied threats.<br>
><br>
> My 0.02.<br>
><br>
><br>
> I<br>
><br>
> On 27 Jun 2017, at 13:01, Lu Heng <<a href="mailto:h.lu@anytimechinese.com">h.lu@anytimechinese.com</a>> wrote:<br>
><br>
> Hi Omo:<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> On 27 June 2017 at 19:35, Omo Oaiya <<a href="mailto:Omo.Oaiya@wacren.net">Omo.Oaiya@wacren.net</a>> wrote:<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> On 27 June 2017 at 11:56, Kris Seeburn <<a href="mailto:seeburn.k@gmail.com">seeburn.k@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
>>><br>
>>> I still stand opposed to the policy. People just call it an Andrew or<br>
>>> liquid audit policy or a cloud innovations policy audit. Let’s not hide and<br>
>>> get off with it.<br>
>>><br>
>>> Kris<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> Are these people suggesting these organisations have something to hide?<br>
>><br>
>> I don't see how this policy can be an issue for any member who has not<br>
>> violated the rules or abused contractual agreements with AfrINIC<br>
><br>
><br>
> 1. Because audit cost money and man power, audit an large organization like<br>
> national telecom require multiple times of AFRINIC budget, it is beyond what<br>
> AFRINIC can afford, Kris is the one responsible for the budget calculation<br>
> and he as already clearly states that.<br>
><br>
> 2. Not fairly audit all members is direct violation of ICP-2, selective and<br>
> subjective will results abuse of monopoly power lawsuit at first guidance.<br>
><br>
> 3. Audit require sensitive business information in which no business would<br>
> like to share, moreover it is illegal to share in most cases, for example<br>
> what if afrinic require member provide all customer data to justify<br>
> utilization? It is in direct violation of privacy law in many countries.<br>
><br>
><br>
>><br>
>> Let's be a bit more accountable here. Responsible stewardship requires<br>
>> being able to audit and I understand that revocation is a last resort. I<br>
>> support the policy on this basis.<br>
><br>
><br>
> The ultimate question is, CAN AFRINIC afford revocation? yes, if you revoke<br>
> a /22, the member may be too small to finding problem with you, but if you<br>
> revoke a /12? Any company with a /12 have power to sue AFRINIC to broke. not<br>
> mentioning the business damage and lost of the connections for the end user<br>
> and business users, the address range alone worth 10-15 million dollars in<br>
> which effectively is 2 years of income for AFRINIC.<br>
><br>
> Let's get into real world which has laws and high court in which ultimate<br>
> have the real reenforce power with police and military to back what they are<br>
> doing, AFRINIC has none, while you still ask AFRINIC to direct confront all<br>
> it's members at 100 times its size, I just don't see that as realistic.<br>
><br>
> AFRINIC is a book keeper, if you ask it to be police, then give it's the<br>
> REAL power needed to be one, for example, pass a resolution at AFRICAN<br>
> union.<br>
><br>
>><br>
>> More importantly, the policy is in last call and the authors have<br>
>> responded to legal's message through the Co-chairs. I look forward to the<br>
>> Co-chairs feedback on that matter.<br>
><br>
><br>
> Any policy at last call receive substantial opposition go back to discussion<br>
> phase for future discussion, in the last call does not means people can not<br>
> push the policy back if they disagree it with rightful argument.<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> Best wishes<br>
>><br>
>> --<br>
>> Omo Oaiya<br>
>> CTO/Directeur Technique, WACREN<br>
>> Mobile: +234 808 888 1571 , +221 784 305 224<br>
>> Skype: kodion<br>
>> <a href="http://www.wacren.net" target="_blank">
http://www.wacren.net</a><br>
>><br>
>><br>
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> --<br>
> --<br>
> Kind regards.<br>
> Lu<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> —<br>
> Omo Oaiya<br>
> CTO/Directeur Technique, WACREN<br>
> Mobile: +234 806 4522778, +221 784 305 224<br>
> Skype: kodion<br>
> <a href="http://www.wacren.net" target="_blank">
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