<div dir="auto"><div><br><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Jun 27, 2017 8:24 PM, "Omo Oaiya" <<a href="mailto:Omo.Oaiya@wacren.net">Omo.Oaiya@wacren.net</a>> wrote:<br type="attribution"><blockquote class="quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style="word-wrap:break-word"><div class="quoted-text"><br><div><blockquote type="cite"><div>On 27 Jun 2017, at 13:17, David Hilario <<a href="mailto:d.hilario@laruscloudservice.net" target="_blank">d.hilario@laruscloudservice.<wbr>net</a>> wrote:</div><br class="m_5920124184289681461Apple-interchange-newline"><div><div style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px">Hi Omo,<br><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Jun 27, 2017 7:35 PM, "Omo Oaiya" <<a href="mailto:Omo.Oaiya@wacren.net" target="_blank">Omo.Oaiya@wacren.net</a>> wrote:<br type="attribution"><blockquote class="m_5920124184289681461quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="m_5920124184289681461quoted-text"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 27 June 2017 at 11:56, Kris Seeburn<span class="m_5920124184289681461Apple-converted-space"> </span><span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:seeburn.k@gmail.com" target="_blank">seeburn.k@gmail.com</a>></span><span class="m_5920124184289681461Apple-converted-space"> </span><wbr>wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div><font face="Helvetica-Light"><span style="font-size:12.8px">I still stand opposed to the policy. People just call it an Andrew or liquid audit policy or a cloud innovations policy audit. Let’s not hide and get off with it.</span></font></div><div><font face="Helvetica-Light"><span style="font-size:12.8px"><br></span></font></div><div><font face="Helvetica-Light"><span style="font-size:12.8px">Kris</span></font></div></blockquote></div><br><br></div><div class="gmail_extra">Are these people suggesting these organisations have something to hide?  </div></div></div></blockquote></div></div></div><div dir="auto" style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px"><br></div><div dir="auto" style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px">With the recent increased scrutiny of this list, I would had hoped the conversations to be more mature and less of accusative manners.</div><div dir="auto" style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px"><br></div><div dir="auto" style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px">Remember that every time we participate on those lists, we all represent the AFRINIC community, our words reflect on everyone.</div></div></blockquote></div><br></div><div>
<div style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;word-wrap:break-word">David,</div><div style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;word-wrap:break-word"><br></div><div style="font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-alternates:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;word-wrap:break-word">Perhaps you need to read what I was responding to again.  I make no accusations and will ignore the reference to my maturity.   </div><div style="font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-alternates:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;word-wrap:break-word"><br></div><div style="font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-alternates:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;word-wrap:break-word">The question was for Kris to explain what he meant by "<span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Helvetica-Light;font-size:12.8px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px">People just call it an Andrew or liquid audit policy or a cloud innovations policy audit. Let’s not hide and get off with it.</span><font face="Helvetica-Light" size="2">”</font></div><span><br></span><span>I haven’t heard anyone call the policy anything else than the Internet Number Resources Review policy or a variation.</span></div><div><span><br></span></div><div><span>As for the rest of your mail, I </span>believe we are rehashing ground that has been previously covered by the authors and will stop here.</div><div></div></div></blockquote></div></div></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Reharshing what ground?</div><div dir="auto">The reasoning behind the opposition is the same, the proposal has not changed.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">The arguments stay valid, simply ignoring the arguments made against the proposal does not make its flaws disappear.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">I stated earlier and will again, that periodic reviews of ALL members is highly encouraged and probably needed, but engaging conversation with members while threatening them is not a viable solution.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">I would love to see alternatives being offered in place of threats.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Forcefully recovering address space will serve no purpose other than alienating whoever lost said resources.</div><div dir="auto">Claim damages are warned about in the staff assessment, these are not made up arguments against the policy from parties who feel threatened, but the actual truth of the danger of such a policy if it was to be passed and ever applied in a "totalitarian" manner by registration services.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">So many things still need to be fixed in the proposal itself before it can be acceptable.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style="word-wrap:break-word"><div><br></div><div>Best wishes</div><font color="#888888"><div>Omo</div></font></div></blockquote></div></div></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Cordialement,</div><div dir="auto">David Hilario</div><div dir="auto"><div class="gmail_extra"><br></div></div></div>