<html><head></head><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:16px"><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1497871008470_41476"><span>Spot on @McTim,</span></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1497871008470_41477"><span><br></span></div><div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1497871008470_41479"><span id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1497871008470_41478">I may add that IF the co-chairs do not know how, or do not have capacity to reach consensus within them, how will they then claim to 'know' community had reached consensus :-)</span></div><div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1497871008470_41479"><br></div><div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1497871008470_41479">walu.</div><div class="qtdSeparateBR" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1497871008470_41493"><br><br></div><div class="yahoo_quoted" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1497871008470_41593" style="display: block;"> <div style="font-family: Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1497871008470_41592"> <div style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1497871008470_41591"> <div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1497871008470_41590"> <font size="2" face="Arial" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1497871008470_41589"> <hr size="1"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">From:</span></b> McTim <dogwallah@gmail.com><br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> Mark J Elkins <mje@posix.co.za> <br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Cc:</span></b> AfriNIC Resource Policy Discussion List <rpd@afrinic.net><br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Monday, June 19, 2017 3:06 PM<br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: [rpd] AFRINIC Policy Development Process Bis Proposal: the way forward<br> </font> </div> <div class="y_msg_container" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1497871008470_41594"><br><div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1497871008470_41595">in my experience as a PDWG co-chair, we never had a situation where<br clear="none">the co-chairs did not agree on if a policy proposal had gained<br clear="none">consensus or not.<br clear="none"><br clear="none">I do not support this proposal, I feel it weakens our PDP and as a<br clear="none">result our community.<br clear="none"><br clear="none">Regards,<br clear="none"><br clear="none">McTim<br clear="none"><br clear="none">On Mon, Jun 19, 2017 at 5:51 AM, Mark Elkins <<a shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:mje@posix.co.za" href="mailto:mje@posix.co.za">mje@posix.co.za</a>> wrote:<br clear="none">> 1 - So does that mean you are dropping the Chair/vice-Chair and retaining<br clear="none">> the current two Co-Chairs - like a number of people asked you to do, or<br clear="none">> what?<br clear="none">><br clear="none">> 2 - What do the words "working group" mean? Do you mean "AfriNIC Community"?<br clear="none">> If so - please use that more familiar terminology.<br clear="none">><br clear="none">> 3 - Can you please tell the community when last where the two co-chairs so<br clear="none">> stuck in making a decision - that effectively - that was their decision. i.e<br clear="none">> - the never made a decision? To the best of my understanding and knowledge,<br clear="none">> this has never happened but I may be wrong.<br clear="none">><br clear="none">> I was going to add a fourth point but I think what you are really trying to<br clear="none">> do is get some discussion going?<br clear="none">><br clear="none">><br clear="none">> On 19/06/2017 11:30, Ornella GANKPA wrote:<br clear="none">><br clear="none">> Hello everyone,<br clear="none">><br clear="none">> Initiators of the new pdp-bis proposal AFPUB-2017-GEN-002-DRAFT-01<br clear="none">> [1], in an effort to improve the policy, are willing to hear from the<br clear="none">> working group, about settling the matter around one chair and a<br clear="none">> vice-chair compared to the current model of 2 cochairs .<br clear="none">><br clear="none">> In the current situation, chairs with the same level of responsabilities<br clear="none">> can get stuck when making decision towards a policy proposal thus<br clear="none">> hindering its progress. Working group discussion moderation by two<br clear="none">> independent individuals can be inefficient. This lack of "consensus"<br clear="none">> between co-chairs freezes the working group operations as well as the<br clear="none">> policy development process<br clear="none">><br clear="none">> Our proposal aims to settle those issues with one chair who makes the<br clear="none">> final decision and a vice chair.<br clear="none">><br clear="none">> Community might be concerned about giving one single Chair, too much<br clear="none">> power. The balance with that is found in stricking deeply the appeal<br clear="none">> process to make it as larger as possible and open to anybody at any step<br clear="none">> of a policy proposal's life.<br clear="none">><br clear="none">> During AIS17 in Nairobi, initiators have gathered positive comments from<br clear="none">> the floor, some supporting linguistic diversity between Chairs. We're<br clear="none">> willing to pursue the debate and bring some new air to the proposal.<br clear="none">><br clear="none">> Thanks all beforehand for your comments.<br clear="none">><br clear="none">> Regards<br clear="none">><br clear="none">> [1]<br clear="none">> <a shape="rect" href="https://afrinic.net/fr/community/policy-development/policy-proposals/2083-afrinic-policy-development-process-bis" target="_blank">https://afrinic.net/fr/community/policy-development/policy-proposals/2083-afrinic-policy-development-process-bis</a><br clear="none">><br clear="none">><br clear="none">><br clear="none">> _______________________________________________<br clear="none">> RPD mailing list<br clear="none">> <a shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:RPD@afrinic.net" href="mailto:RPD@afrinic.net">RPD@afrinic.net</a><br clear="none">> <a shape="rect" href="https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/rpd" target="_blank">https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/rpd</a><br clear="none">><br clear="none">><br clear="none">> --<br clear="none">> Mark James ELKINS - Posix Systems - (South) Africa<br clear="none">> <a shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:mje@posix.co.za" href="mailto:mje@posix.co.za">mje@posix.co.za</a> Tel: +27.128070590 Cell: +27.826010496<br clear="none">> For fast, reliable, low cost Internet in ZA: <a shape="rect" href="https://ftth.posix.co.za/" target="_blank">https://ftth.posix.co.za</a><br clear="none">><br clear="none">><br clear="none">> _______________________________________________<br clear="none">> RPD mailing list<br clear="none">> <a shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:RPD@afrinic.net" href="mailto:RPD@afrinic.net">RPD@afrinic.net</a><br clear="none">> <a shape="rect" href="https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/rpd" target="_blank">https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/rpd</a><br clear="none">><br clear="none"><br clear="none"><br clear="none"><br clear="none">-- <br clear="none">Cheers,<br clear="none"><br clear="none">McTim<br clear="none">"A name indicates what we seek. 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