<div dir="ltr">Hi Andrew, et al,<div>Thanks for catching this discrepancy. However, as the author of the Softlanding Policy, in question, I want to confirm that consensus was reached on this policy by the PDWG co-chairs in accordance with the process.<div><br></div><div>I agree with you that updating the history is required to reflect the facts.</div><div><br></div><div>Regards,</div></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 7 June 2017 at 13:02, Andrew Alston <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:Andrew.Alston@liquidtelecom.com" target="_blank">Andrew.Alston@liquidtelecom.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:windowtext">Ok,<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:windowtext">That’s good news – in which case – can we request that the history on the policy be updated to accurately reflect this – so that what is stated online reflects adherence to the PDP process<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:windowtext">Thanks<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:windowtext">Andrew<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="color:windowtext">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="color:windowtext"> Mark Elkins [mailto:<a href="mailto:mje@posix.co.za" target="_blank">mje@posix.co.za</a>]
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<b>Sent:</b> 07 June 2017 11:16<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net" target="_blank">rpd@afrinic.net</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [rpd] Question about the current soft landing policy...<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p>From my archives, (McTims date on his PC is suspect)<span style="font-size:12.0pt"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p>Posted: 03/11/2011 22:16<br>
From: McTIM<br>
(Delivery-date: Mon, 14 Nov 2011 14:19:05 +0200)<u></u><u></u></p>
<pre>All,<u></u><u></u></pre>
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<pre>A sharp eyed reader has pointed out that the version number in the<u></u><u></u></pre>
<pre>above subject line is incorrect.<u></u><u></u></pre>
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<pre>It should read "AFPUB-2011-v4-004".<u></u><u></u></pre>
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<pre>Apologies for the error.<u></u><u></u></pre>
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<pre>Best Regards,<u></u><u></u></pre>
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<pre>McTim<u></u><u></u></pre>
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<pre>AfriNIC PDWG co-chair<u></u><u></u></pre>
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<pre>On 9/9/11, McTim <a href="mailto:dogwallah@gmail.com" target="_blank"><dogwallah@gmail.com></a> wrote:<u></u><u></u></pre>
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<pre>Dear Colleagues,<u></u><u></u></pre>
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<pre>The last call period has now closed for the Global Policy for Post<u></u><u></u></pre>
<pre>Exhaustion IPv4 Allocation Mechanisms by the IANA (AFPUB-2010-v4-006)<u></u><u></u></pre>
<pre>policy proposal.<u></u><u></u></pre>
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<pre>No objections were received on this proposal during the last call<u></u><u></u></pre>
<pre>period. This policy proposal was also deemed to have reached consensus<u></u><u></u></pre>
<pre>at AfriNIC-14 face-to-face Public Policy Meeting.<u></u><u></u></pre>
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<pre>The Policy Discussion Working Group Co-Chairs, therefore, hereby<u></u><u></u></pre>
<pre>declare that consensus has been achieved.<u></u><u></u></pre>
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<pre>The PDWG Co-Chairs will now proceed to report to the AfriNIC Board on<u></u><u></u></pre>
<pre>this proposal and will recommend ratification by the Board.<u></u><u></u></pre>
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<pre>Regards,<u></u><u></u></pre>
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So it appears that the PDP Co-Chairs called consensus, did the last call and asked the Board to ratify.<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On 07/06/2017 05:13, Andrew Alston wrote:<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Hi Guys,</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">So, I was looking at the current soft landing policy – and I’m now confused –
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">According to the history of the policy as per what is published:</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">On the 28<sup>th</sup> of May 2011 the last call completed and the PDWG co-chairs declared no consensus.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">On the 5<sup>th</sup> of August 2011 an updated version of the proposal was posted to the website and the rpd mailing list</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">On the 11<sup>th</sup> of November 2011 the proposal was ratified by the board under resolution 201111.138</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"> </span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Can someone explain to me how this is possible – because between the posting of an updated version of the proposal on the 5<sup>th</sup> of August 2011 and the resolution that ratified the policy – there was no public
policy meeting – the public policy meeting was held at AFRINIC-15 from the 19<sup>th</sup> to 25<sup>th</sup> of November 2011 in Cameroon.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"> </span><u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Even if we assume that consensus on the policy was found at AFRINIC-14 between the 4<sup>th</sup> and 10<sup>th</sup> of June 2011 in Dar es Salaam – the process states that there should have been another last call period
on the policy that was ratified (even if modifications were concluded in dar es salaam).</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">So – if that history is correct on the policy – the ratification of the policy is not valid since it is a violation of the PDP process – does anyone have any archives that go back this far so we can get a real history
on the current policy and check its validity please?</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Thanks</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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