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<p>Some background - I've been involved with the CO.ZA registration
system for about 23 years. Our policy was to only allow a new
delegation into the zones once the nameservers were all
authoritative - i.e. Don't add broken stuff.</p>
<p>I'm now looking after another smaller zone and although I still
follow the manta of not adding broken stuff, I'm finding that
there are lame Delegations so I will be adding automated periodic
checks and informing people when there are problems.<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 31/05/2017 09:26, Adnan RIHAN wrote:<br>
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few clarifications, here are my thoughts:</div>
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I agree with the general idea of the proposal, we need to clean
the db once in a while.</div>
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I also agree with this - perhaps between two and four times a year.<br>
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I don’t agree with authors saying it will be effective, because
as one of our fellows from other RIRs, it would be hard to
correctly define a lame as a lame. It’s not because others have
0 lames that it’s effective. Their LIRs/End-Users/techs may be
just more careful. <br>
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For ARIN to do this is difficult, as ARIN has inherited a lot of
Legacy users - often without correct contact information. This is
not the case for AFRINIC.<br>
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I agree with Alain and another one (sorry I didn’t get your
name) saying that it’s an operational issue, let the whois as it
is, block the delegation implementation if it’s a lame.</div>
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No, its more than that. One point not brought up and emphasised is
that the owners will be contacted in this process - allowing them to
fix things.<br>
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Maybe we need a policy to check the contacts once a year</div>
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More often!<br>
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Authors could specify that the lameness should be tried at a
particular frequency, let’s say when the record is aged every 6
months or year. Then for 3 or 5 days it’s rechecked.</div>
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I'm sure the algorithm would be something like that.<br>
Check. if broken - re-check after 2 days, then four days, then eight
days then mark as bad. (Like how mail delivery works)<br>
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<div style="font-family:helvetica,arial;font-size:13px">Cordialement,
Adnan RIHAN</div>
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<p class="airmail_on">On 31 mai 2017 at 09:23:15, Mark Elkins (<a
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<div>I agree with this Policy. It should simply be passed
and implemented. I
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don't think much needs to be said otherwise.
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On 29/05/2017 17:03, Dewole Ajao wrote:
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> Policy proposal and Staff analysis are at <a
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href="https://www.afrinic.net/en/community/policy-development/policy-proposals/2067-lame-delegations-in-afrinic-reverse-dns">https://www.afrinic.net/en/community/policy-development/policy-proposals/2067-lame-delegations-in-afrinic-reverse-dns</a>
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