<html><head></head><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:16px"><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1495082309502_303977" dir="ltr"><span id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1495082309502_304332">haahaaa, am not sure :-).</span></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1495082309502_303977" dir="ltr"><span><br></span></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1495082309502_303977" dir="ltr"><span id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1495082309502_304107">But I guess to me 'legitimate aims' may vary country by country. But most countries would define these legitimate aims around the 'National Security' umbrella. Which ties into the second point - is it covered/prescribed in law?</span></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1495082309502_303977" dir="ltr"><span><br></span></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1495082309502_303977" dir="ltr"><span id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1495082309502_304272">So as long as the country has negotiated how and when to shut down their communication services/Internet, and backed this up that in their Acts of parliament then AfriNIC has no business getting involved, however crude that law maybe :-).</span></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1495082309502_303977" dir="ltr"><span><br></span></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1495082309502_303977" dir="ltr"><span id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1495082309502_304470">The last point 'necessary and proportionate' ensures that such shutdowns if they must happen are moderated in terms of duration, coverage or service type.</span></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1495082309502_303977" dir="ltr"><span><br></span></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1495082309502_303977" dir="ltr"><span id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1495082309502_304595">At the end of the day we can say most governments are never right when it comes to shutdowns, but that is not the same as assuming that Afrinic policies will always be right on internet shutdowns. </span></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1495082309502_303977" dir="ltr"><span><br></span></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1495082309502_303977" dir="ltr"><span id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1495082309502_304658">There must be shared checks and balances often brokered by courts of law.</span></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1495082309502_303977" dir="ltr"><br></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1495082309502_303977" dir="ltr"><span>walu. </span></div><div class="qtdSeparateBR" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1495082309502_303978"><br><br></div><div class="yahoo_quoted" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1495082309502_303982" style="display: block;"> <div style="font-family: Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1495082309502_303981"> <div style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1495082309502_303980"> <div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1495082309502_303979"> <font size="2" face="Arial" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1495082309502_304045"> <hr size="1" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1495082309502_304106"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">From:</span></b> Ali Hussein <ali@hussein.me.ke><br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> Walubengo J <jwalu@yahoo.com> <br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Cc:</span></b> Ish Sookun <ish@lsl.digital>; General Discussions of AFRINIC <community-discuss@afrinic.net>; rpd <rpd@afrinic.net><br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Thursday, May 18, 2017 6:53 PM<br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: [rpd] [Community-Discuss] Controversial anti-shutdown policy discussed at RIPE<br> </font> </div> <div class="y_msg_container" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1495082309502_304047"><br><div id="yiv7651482129"><div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1495082309502_304064"><div class="yiv7651482129gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia, serif;" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1495082309502_304194">@Walu</div><div class="yiv7651482129gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia, serif;" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1495082309502_304204"><br></div><div class="yiv7651482129gmail_default" style="font-family:georgia, serif;" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1495082309502_304105">What, pray is <b>Legitimate Aim</b>'? :-)</div><div class="yiv7651482129gmail_extra" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1495082309502_304063"><br clear="all"><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1495082309502_304062"><div class="yiv7651482129gmail_signature" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1495082309502_304061"><div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1495082309502_304060"><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1495082309502_304059"><div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1495082309502_304058"><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1495082309502_304057"><div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1495082309502_304056"><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1495082309502_304055"><div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1495082309502_304054"><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1495082309502_304053"><div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1495082309502_304052"><div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1495082309502_304051"><div style="margin:0in 0in 0pt;"><b><font face="georgia, serif" size="2">Ali
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<br><div class="yiv7651482129gmail_quote" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1495082309502_304078">On Thu, May 18, 2017 at 6:35 PM, Walubengo J <span dir="ltr"><<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:jwalu@yahoo.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:jwalu@yahoo.com">jwalu@yahoo.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="yiv7651482129gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1495082309502_304077"><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1495082309502_304076"><div style="color:#000;background-color:#fff;font-family:Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:16px;" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1495082309502_304075"><div id="yiv7651482129m_3787495955927666130yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1495082309502_214041">Those lawyers dealing Internet rights suggest that Internet rights could be violated only if the following three conditions apply:</div><div id="yiv7651482129m_3787495955927666130yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1495082309502_214041"><br></div><div id="yiv7651482129m_3787495955927666130yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1495082309502_214087"><span id="yiv7651482129m_3787495955927666130yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1495082309502_214088">a) The shutdown must serve legitimate aim</span></div><div id="yiv7651482129m_3787495955927666130yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1495082309502_214089"><span id="yiv7651482129m_3787495955927666130yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1495082309502_214090">b) The shutdown is supported/established by (domestic or international) law</span></div><div id="yiv7651482129m_3787495955927666130yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1495082309502_214089"><span id="yiv7651482129m_3787495955927666130yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1495082309502_214127">c) The shutdown is </span>necessary and proportionate.</div><div id="yiv7651482129m_3787495955927666130yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1495082309502_214089"><br></div><div id="yiv7651482129m_3787495955927666130yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1495082309502_214089">walu.</div><div class="yiv7651482129m_3787495955927666130qtdSeparateBR" id="yiv7651482129m_3787495955927666130yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1495082309502_214031"><br><br></div><div class="yiv7651482129m_3787495955927666130yahoo_quoted" id="yiv7651482129m_3787495955927666130yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1495082309502_214035" style="display:block;"> <div style="font-family:Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:16px;" id="yiv7651482129m_3787495955927666130yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1495082309502_214034"> <div style="font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:16px;" id="yiv7651482129m_3787495955927666130yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1495082309502_214033"> <div dir="ltr" id="yiv7651482129m_3787495955927666130yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1495082309502_214032"> <font size="2" face="Arial" id="yiv7651482129m_3787495955927666130yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1495082309502_214036"> <hr size="1" id="yiv7651482129m_3787495955927666130yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1495082309502_214040"> <b id="yiv7651482129m_3787495955927666130yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1495082309502_214175"><span style="font-weight:bold;" id="yiv7651482129m_3787495955927666130yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1495082309502_214174">From:</span></b> Ali Hussein <<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:ali@hussein.me.ke" target="_blank" href="mailto:ali@hussein.me.ke">ali@hussein.me.ke</a>><br> <b id="yiv7651482129m_3787495955927666130yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1495082309502_214173"><span style="font-weight:bold;" id="yiv7651482129m_3787495955927666130yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1495082309502_214172">To:</span></b> Ish Sookun <ish@lsl.digital> <br><b><span style="font-weight:bold;">Cc:</span></b> General Discussions of AFRINIC <<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:community-discuss@afrinic.net" target="_blank" href="mailto:community-discuss@afrinic.net" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1495082309502_304466">community-discuss@afrinic.net</a> >; rpd <<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net" target="_blank" href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net">rpd@afrinic.net</a>><br> <b id="yiv7651482129m_3787495955927666130yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1495082309502_214178"><span style="font-weight:bold;" id="yiv7651482129m_3787495955927666130yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1495082309502_214177">Sent:</span></b> Monday, May 15, 2017 11:06 AM<br> <b id="yiv7651482129m_3787495955927666130yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1495082309502_214180"><span style="font-weight:bold;" id="yiv7651482129m_3787495955927666130yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1495082309502_214179">Subject:</span></b> Re: [rpd] [Community-Discuss] Controversial anti-shutdown policy discussed at RIPE<br> </font> </div> <div class="yiv7651482129m_3787495955927666130y_msg_container"><div><div class="yiv7651482129h5"><br><div id="yiv7651482129m_3787495955927666130yiv7927479882"><div><div>Ish</div><div id="yiv7651482129m_3787495955927666130yiv7927479882AppleMailSignature"><br clear="none"></div><div id="yiv7651482129m_3787495955927666130yiv7927479882AppleMailSignature">Protests are an expression of freedom of association and speech. Shutting down the Internet because people are protesting is unjustified. The very Governments that are elected by the people should be responsible to the people. I can see where in some extreme (really extreme) circumstances where shut downs maybe be necessary. However, mechanisms MUST be put in place from the onset to justify such. And this must be a Multi- Stakeholder Consensus Building Mechanism where NATIONAL SECURITY is truly in jeopardy. <br clear="none"><br clear="none"><div><span><b>Ali Hussein</b></span></div><div><span><b>Principal</b></span></div><div><b>Hussein & Associates</b></div><div style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:medium;">+254 0713 601113 </div><div style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:medium;"><br clear="none"></div><div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0pt;"><span>Twitter: @AliHKassim</span></div><span><font></font></span><div style="margin:0in 0in 0pt;"><span>Skype: abu-jomo</span></div><div style="margin:0in 0in 0pt;"><span>LinkedIn: <a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" target="_blank" href="http://ke.linkedin.com/in/alihkassim">http://ke.linkedin. com/in/alihkassim</a></span></div><font><br clear="none"></font></div><div><span>"We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence, therefore, is not an act but a habit." ~ Aristotle</span></div><div><br clear="none"></div><div><span><br clear="none"></span></div>Sent from my iPad</div><div><div class="yiv7651482129m_3787495955927666130yiv7927479882yqt8359648973" id="yiv7651482129m_3787495955927666130yiv7927479882yqtfd09239"><br clear="none">On 15 May 2017, at 9:37 AM, Ish Sookun <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:ish@lsl.digital" target="_blank" href="mailto:ish@lsl.digital">ish@lsl.digital</a>> wrote:<br clear="none"><br clear="none"></div></div><div class="yiv7651482129m_3787495955927666130yiv7927479882yqt8359648973" id="yiv7651482129m_3787495955927666130yiv7927479882yqtfd12932"><blockquote type="cite"><div><span>Hi Ali,</span><br clear="none"><span></span><br clear="none"><span>On 14/05/17 19:43, Ali Hussein wrote:</span><br clear="none"><blockquote type="cite"><span>I've been following this discourse for a few days and I'm getting the feeling that no one in the community is supporting a shut down right? </span><br clear="none"></blockquote><span></span><br clear="none"><span>I would not say no one is supporting a shutdown. The discussions on the</span><br clear="none"><span>RPD list prompted that some found it justified for the government to</span><br clear="none"><span>shut down the internet because of riots & protests. I am not saying</span><br clear="none"><span>whether they are right or wrong, but merely citing what I read from the</span><br clear="none"><span>list.</span><br clear="none"><span></span><br clear="none"><span>Regards,</span><br clear="none"><span></span><br clear="none"><span>Ish Sookun</span><br clear="none"></div></blockquote></div></div></div></div></div><span class="yiv7651482129">______________________________ _________________<br clear="none">RPD mailing list<br clear="none"><a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:RPD@afrinic.net" target="_blank" href="mailto:RPD@afrinic.net">RPD@afrinic.net</a><br clear="none"><a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" target="_blank" href="https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/rpd">https://lists.afrinic.net/ mailman/listinfo/rpd</a><div class="yiv7651482129m_3787495955927666130yqt8359648973" id="yiv7651482129m_3787495955927666130yqtfd23307"><br clear="none"></div><br><br></span></div> </div> </div> </div></div></div></blockquote></div><br></div></div></div><br><br></div> </div> </div> </div></div></body></html>