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The PDP allows anyone to submit any ideas and policies, irrespective
of who they are, where they are from, and what their ideas are, in a
free exchange of ideas and in the name of freedom of expression and
freedom of speech.<br>
<p>Some policies are pretty straight forward, make lots of sense and
should simply be implemented. they don't need lots of discussion -
more along the lines of - "why didn't I think and suggest that?".</p>
<p>Other policies are simply way out and should be still-born - such
as the PDP-BIS proposal, which destroys a number of the qualities
of how the PDP currently runs.<br>
</p>
<p>The "Internet Shutdown" policy has caused discussion around the
world. This is proof of the multi-stakeholder approach at work
(its being argued by multiple stakeholders, both for and against).
The very fact that this policy has engendered so much debate does
not indicate a problem with the policy, rather, it shows that the
process works and is resulting in debate and discussion that is
both constructive and healthy.<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 12/05/2017 09:43, Arnaud AMELINA
wrote:<br>
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<div>+1 Dear Mirriam and Badru<br>
<br>
Cela sera fixé par notre projet de politique PDP-BIS. <br>
<br>
<span id="gmail-result_box" class="gmail-" lang="en"><span>This
will be fixed by our PDP-BIS policy proposal.<br>
<br>
@Saul, je confirme que cette politique de shutdown est
inopportune sur le PDP, c'est une véritable perte de
temps, car d'autres politique ssont sur la table du PDP
et personne n'a encore réagit par rapport à elles et on
tourne autour d'une politique dont tout le monde sait
qu'elle n'aboutira pas, et on nous avance comme argument
le débat que ça va susciter, c'est comme si on se moque
de notre communauté de techniciens. Nous ne sommes pas
Politiciens, laissons cet aspect à ceux qui en ont la
compétence, pour en débattre, et nous nous serons là en
appui à leur décision. Dicsutons sur les choes qui
feront avancer afrinic eet non celles qui lui créeront
des problèmes. JE voudrais inviter tous les membres de
cette communauté à se concentrer sur les vrais missions
d'Afrinic et débatre de son avenir. Merci pour votre
conmpréhension. <br>
<br>
</span></span><br>
<span id="gmail-result_box" class="gmail-" lang="en"><span><span
id="gmail-result_box" class="gmail-" lang="en"><span
class="gmail-">@Saul, I confirm that this shutdown
policy is inappropriate on the PDP, it is a real
waste of time because other policies are on the PDP
table and nobody has yet reacted with them and we
turn</span> <span class="gmail-">Around
to a policy that everyone knows will not succeed,
and we are advanced as an argument the debate that
will arouse, it is like we laugh at our community of
technicians.</span> <span class="gmail-">We are not
Politicians, we leave it to those who have the
competence to debate it, and we will be there to
support their decision.</span> <span>Let us discuss
on things that will move AFRINIC forward instead of
those that will create problems.</span> <span>I
would like to invite all members of this community
to focus on Afrinic's real missions and to discuss
its future.</span> <span>Thank you for your
understanding.<br>
<br>
</span></span></span></span></div>
<span id="gmail-result_box" class="gmail-" lang="en"><span><span
id="gmail-result_box" class="gmail-" lang="en"><span>Cordialement.<br>
<br>
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<span id="gmail-result_box" class="gmail-" lang="en"><span><span
id="gmail-result_box" class="gmail-" lang="en"><span>Arnaud.<br>
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<div class="gmail_quote">2017-05-12 7:10 GMT+00:00 Saul Stein <span
dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:saul@enetworks.co.za" target="_blank">saul@enetworks.co.za</a>></span>:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">Please
can you explain how this is an abuse of the RPD?</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">We
have a serious issue of internet shutdowns on our
continent. The impact that it has on education, the
economy etc is immeasurable!</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">This
should be of grace concern to all of us!</span></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">The
authors of the policy have stated numerous times
that this is an evolving proposal.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">The
important thing is that it is encouraging global
debate on how to resolve this issue. THAT is what
this proposal is about – ways to prevent this from
happening.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">Whatever
solutions we come up with – but that can only happen
with this debate, so I don’t see how it’s a waist!</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
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lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"
lang="EN-US"> Mirriam [mailto:<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:mirriamlauren@yahoo.com"
target="_blank">mirriamlauren@yahoo.<wbr>com</a>]
<br>
<b>Sent:</b> 11 May 2017 08:24 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Tutu Ngcaba <<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:pan.afrikhan@gmail.com"
target="_blank">pan.afrikhan@gmail.com</a>>;
Mark Elkins <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:mje@posix.co.za" target="_blank">mje@posix.co.za</a>><br>
<b>Cc:</b> General Discussions of AFRINIC <<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:community-discuss@afrinic.net"
target="_blank">community-discuss@afrinic.net</a><wbr>>;
AfriNIC List <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net" target="_blank">rpd@afrinic.net</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Community-Discuss]
Controversial anti-shutdown policy discussed at
RIPE</span></p>
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All,</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">I
totally agree with what Badru has stated and I
really hope the PDP update policy proposal on
the table before us can help to improve the
Afrinic policy development process and
environment notwithstanding quality of work so
as to avoid such abuses of the pdp.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">On
Wednesday, May 10, 2017, 1:41:29 PM GMT+3,
Tutu Ngcaba <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:pan.afrikhan@gmail.com"
target="_blank">pan.afrikhan@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:</span></p>
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Elkins,</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">The
ICANN chairman Steve said some
concern of internet shutdown
will undermine the missions of
Icann and the Afrinic and they
two have the </span><span
style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">potential
power to do something in
return. </span><span
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">The
Afrinic Government Working Group
AFGWG can work with the ICANN to
achieve more mutlistakeholders
talkings and meetings. This is
what needs to be done in return.<br>
<br>
I ask the AFGWG to do some
taking to the ICANN and they can
meet our governments for
education on economic important
of Internet.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">Best
Regards,<br>
<br>
Tutu Ngcaba<br>
Kwazulu Techno Hubs<br>
South Africa<br>
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style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">On
10 May 2017 12:53 p.m., "Mark
Elkins" <<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:mje@posix.co.za"
target="_blank">mje@posix.co.za</a>>
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<p><span
style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">I
downloaded the complete
video from RIPE and
watched it a few times.
I was also watching
live.</span></p>
<p><span
style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">Its
large - but if you can
do, download it and
watch it.</span></p>
<p
style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span
style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif"><a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://ripe74.ripe.net/archive/video/Andrew_Alston-Anti-Shutdown_Policies_-_The_Rationale-20170508-171822.mp4"
target="_blank">https://ripe74.ripe.net/archiv
e/video/Andrew_Alston-Anti- Shutdown_Policies_-_The_Ration
ale-20170508-171822.mp4</a>'</span></p>
<p><span
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<p><span
style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">Then
again, when the Chairman
of ICANN stands up and
says that ICANN can
help. </span></p>
<p><span
style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">"Hi,
my name is Steve
Crocker, I am Chairman
of ICANN and I'm here to
help you. (Regarding)
take out of the root the
affected ccTLD names"
and he then volunteered
assistance from ICANN
staff - also saying it
would take between two
and five years to get to
a decision whether to
proceed or not.</span></p>
<p><span
style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">The
current policy concept
does not go that far -
but to me - certainly
suggests that the idea
of punitive actions
against governments is
worth looking at.</span></p>
<p><span
style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">I
regard it like a nuclear
bomb. When in the hands
of sane people (RIR's
and ICANN), it is a
threat - to persuade bad
actors to have second
thoughts against cutting
people off from access
to the Internet. If
governments choose to
cut people off from
access to the Internet
for political reasons,
to me this is
undermining the core
mission of ICANN and the
RIR's, both of whom have
the potential power to
do something in return.
We need to enable that
power from being simply
a potential to being
ready for use and hope
its never needed to be
used.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">On 10/05/2017 11:01,
Noah wrote:</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">Mmmm on the contrary
seems like most
folk on the floor
disagreed with the
contraversial
policy and its
approach no matter
how much the
Arthors seek for
better ways to
improve it. </span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">Some suggested
multistake
holder
engagement and
in particular
Leslie Daigle
comments on the
floor are worth
taking into
serious
considerations
by the way.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">Leslie
Daigle of ISOC agrees
that there is a problem.
She has concerns but
sounded to me more would
like to see something.
She just doesn't want to
see dialogue being
undermined by this
policy.<br>
<br>
Perhaps talk is not
enough?</span></p>
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style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">The best comment in
my opinion was
from the Alan
Durand who
reminded
everyone what
the real core
mission of the
RIR community
is, and that
is....</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">I'd
say he was more worried
about the policy being
used for much more than
it is currently intended
for. (referenced to the
colour of people's hair
as a reason to cut them
off the Internet).<br>
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<p
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style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">"To allocate
resources and
maintain the
accuracy of
the
database".PERIOD.
[1]</span></p>
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<p
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style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">[1]I have had in the
past folk
state
statements
like "How some
ome runs his
network is
none of
anyones
business and
in that matter
policing the
network is
none of
AFRINICs
business" </span><span
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">On 10 May 2017 10:39
a.m., "Andrew
Alston" <<a
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href="mailto:Andrew.Alston@liquidtelecom.com" target="_blank">Andrew.Alston@liquidtelecom.c
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style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">Thanks Marcus,</span></p>
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<p
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for the
community.</span></p>
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style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">It's been a great
experience
here at RIPE
and some of
the ideas
given and the
extensive
discussions
following the
presentation
referred to by
Marcus have
been both
useful and
informative.</span></p>
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<p
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style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">Draft 2 will be
submitted
shortly very
much in line
with what I
presented in
that
presentation -
and before the
7 day deadline
as per the PDP
so we can
discuss on
that basis.</span></p>
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<p
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style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">Following the meeting
in Nairobi, I
suspect we
will then be
gathering
still further
input and
further drafts
will follow,
if there is no
consensus
found on the
floor for the
draft 2 that
will be
submitted.</span></p>
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<p
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style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">I think for myself,
the most
important
thing I have
seen at RIPE
so far, is the
huge
willingness by
people from
every walk of
life to engage
in dialog and
discussion
over this, and
it was
heartening to
see both my
own positions
and the
positions of
those I was
discussing
with shift as
explanations
were given and
questions were
asked and
answered.
Since giving
that
presentation I
have barely
had a minute
to think as
people
approached me
to talk this
through - and
I really hope
to see such
engagement in
Nairobi,
because it
truly showed
the benefit of
a multi
stakeholder
approach where
open dialog
and
communication
can happen,
even in the
absence of
agreement and
in the face of
controversial
material where
people hold
strong and
emotive views.</span></p>
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<p
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style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">I look forward to the
discussions on
the floor of
the PDP and
engaging with
all of you to
hear your
thoughts and
views and
finding the
right solution
to the issue.</span></p>
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11:48:42 PM<br>
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<b>Subject:</b>
[Community-Discuss] Controversial anti-shutdown policy discussed at RIPE</span><span
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the
presentation
of the
controversial
draft
anti-shutdown
policy
(AFPUB-2017-GEN-001-DRAFT-01)
at a recent
RIPE meeting.
I found the
questions/comments
from the RIPE
community
similar to
that shared by
many on the
RPD, mostly
about the
inappropriateness
of such policy
in our region…
or any other
for that
matter. Enjoy
watching it.</span></p>
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