<div dir="auto">Andrew,<div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Those past midnight discussions dont change the facts. We shalll have more of those in the planned event organised by AFRINIC ref:Intenet Shutdowns.<div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">But fact remains that, AFRINIC's core missions is to promote internet development by allocating number resources and maintaining the database.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Noah</div></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 10 May 2017 12:34 p.m., "Andrew Alston" <<a href="mailto:Andrew.Alston@liquidtelecom.com">Andrew.Alston@liquidtelecom.com</a>> wrote:<br type="attribution"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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</b><span style="font-family:Calibri;color:black">Noah <<a href="mailto:noah@neo.co.tz" target="_blank">noah@neo.co.tz</a>><br>
<b>Date: </b>Wednesday, 10 May 2017 at 11:01<br>
<b>To: </b>Andrew Alston <<a href="mailto:Andrew.Alston@liquidtelecom.com" target="_blank">Andrew.Alston@liquidtelecom.<wbr>com</a>><br>
<b>Cc: </b>General Discussions of AFRINIC <<a href="mailto:community-discuss@afrinic.net" target="_blank">community-discuss@afrinic.net</a><wbr>>, rpd List <<a href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net" target="_blank">rpd@afrinic.net</a>>, "Marcus K. G. Adomey" <<a href="mailto:madomey@hotmail.com" target="_blank">madomey@hotmail.com</a>><br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: [Community-Discuss] Controversial anti-shutdown policy discussed at RIPE<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Mmmm on the contrary seems like most folk on the floor disagreed with the contraversial policy and its approach no matter how much the Arthors seek for better ways to improve it.
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<p class="MsoNormal">Some suggested multistake holder engagement and in particular Leslie Daigle comments on the floor are worth taking into serious considerations by the way.
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<p class="MsoNormal">The best comment in my opinion was from the Alan Durand who reminded everyone what the real core mission of the RIR community is, and that is....<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">"To allocate resources and maintain the accuracy of the database".PERIOD. [1]<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Helvetica">[1]I have had in the past folk state statements like "How some ome runs his network is none of anyones business and in that matter policing the network is none of AFRINICs business" </span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On 10 May 2017 10:39 a.m., "Andrew Alston" <<a href="mailto:Andrew.Alston@liquidtelecom.com" target="_blank">Andrew.Alston@liquidtelecom.<wbr>com</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Just some feedback for the community.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">It's been a great experience here at RIPE and some of the ideas given and the extensive discussions following the presentation referred to by Marcus have been both useful and informative.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Draft 2 will be submitted shortly very much in line with what I presented in that presentation - and before the 7 day deadline as per the PDP so we can discuss on that basis.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I think for myself, the most important thing I have seen at RIPE so far, is the huge willingness by people from every walk of life to engage in dialog and discussion over this, and it was heartening to see both my own positions and the
positions of those I was discussing with shift as explanations were given and questions were asked and answered. Since giving that presentation I have barely had a minute to think as people approached me to talk this through - and I really hope to see such
engagement in Nairobi, because it truly showed the benefit of a multi stakeholder approach where open dialog and communication can happen, even in the absence of agreement and in the face of controversial material where people hold strong and emotive views.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I look forward to the discussions on the floor of the PDP and engaging with all of you to hear your thoughts and views and finding the right solution to the issue.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, May 9, 2017 11:48:42 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net" target="_blank">rpd@afrinic.net</a>; <a href="mailto:community-discuss@afrinic.net" target="_blank">
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<b>Subject:</b> [Community-Discuss] Controversial anti-shutdown policy discussed at RIPE</span>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Calibri;color:black">You might want to see the presentation of the controversial draft anti-shutdown policy (AFPUB-2017-GEN-001-DRAFT-01) at a recent RIPE meeting. I found the questions/comments from the RIPE community
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