<div dir="auto"><div>Brother Elkins,</div><div dir="auto"><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">The ICANN chairman Steve said some concern of internet shutdown will undermine the missions of Icann and the Afrinic and they two have the <span style="font-family:sans-serif">potential power to do something in return. </span></div><div dir="auto"><span style="font-family:sans-serif"><br></span></div><div dir="auto">The Afrinic Government Working Group AFGWG can work with the ICANN to achieve more mutlistakeholders talkings and meetings. This is what needs to be done in return.<br><br>I ask the AFGWG to do some taking to the ICANN and they can meet our governments for education on economic important of Internet.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><br><div data-smartmail="gmail_signature" dir="auto">Best Regards,<br><br>Tutu Ngcaba<br>Kwazulu Techno Hubs<br>South Africa<br>    </div></div><br><div class="gmail_extra" dir="auto"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 10 May 2017 12:53 p.m., "Mark Elkins" <<a href="mailto:mje@posix.co.za" target="_blank">mje@posix.co.za</a>> wrote:<br type="attribution"><blockquote class="m_-4330836854662846082quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
  
    
  
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    <p>I downloaded the complete video  from RIPE and watched it a few
      times. I was also watching live.</p>
    <p>Its large - but if you can do, download it and watch it.</p>
    <p><a class="m_-4330836854662846082m_7987969332886343718moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://ripe74.ripe.net/archive/video/Andrew_Alston-Anti-Shutdown_Policies_-_The_Rationale-20170508-171822.mp4" target="_blank">https://ripe74.ripe.net/archiv<wbr>e/video/Andrew_Alston-Anti-<wbr>Shutdown_Policies_-_The_Ration<wbr>ale-20170508-171822.mp4</a>'<br>
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    </p>
    <p><br>
    </p>
    <p>Then again, when the Chairman of ICANN stands up and says that
      ICANN can help. <br>
    </p>
    <p>"Hi, my name is Steve Crocker, I am Chairman of ICANN and I'm
      here to help you. (Regarding) take out of the root the affected
      ccTLD names" and he then volunteered assistance from ICANN staff -
      also saying it would take between two and five years to get to a
      decision whether to proceed or not.</p>
    <p>The current policy concept does not go that far - but to me -
      certainly suggests that the idea of punitive actions against
      governments is worth looking at.</p>
    <p>I regard it like a nuclear bomb. When in the hands of sane people
      (RIR's and ICANN), it is a threat - to persuade bad actors to have
      second thoughts against cutting people off from access to the
      Internet. If governments choose to cut people off from access to
      the Internet for political reasons, to me this is undermining the
      core mission of ICANN and the RIR's, both of whom have the
      potential power to do something in return. We need to enable that
      power from being simply a potential to being ready for use and
      hope its never needed to be used.<br>
    </p><div class="m_-4330836854662846082quoted-text">
    <br>
    <div class="m_-4330836854662846082m_7987969332886343718moz-cite-prefix">On 10/05/2017 11:01, Noah wrote:<br>
    </div>
    <blockquote type="cite">
      <div dir="auto">Mmmm on the contrary seems like most folk on the
        floor disagreed with the contraversial policy and its approach
        no matter how much the Arthors seek for better ways to improve
        it.
        <div dir="auto"><br>
        </div>
        <div dir="auto">Some suggested multistake holder engagement and
          in particular Leslie Daigle comments on the floor are worth
          taking into serious considerations by the way.</div>
      </div>
    </blockquote>
    <br></div>
    Leslie Daigle of ISOC agrees that there is a problem. She has
    concerns but sounded to me more would like to see something. She
    just doesn't want to see dialogue being undermined by this policy.<br>
    <br>
    Perhaps talk is not enough?<div class="m_-4330836854662846082quoted-text"><br>
    <br>
    <blockquote type="cite">
      <div dir="auto">
        <div dir="auto">
          <div dir="auto">
            <div dir="auto">The best comment in my opinion was from the
              Alan Durand who reminded everyone what the real core
              mission of the RIR community is,  and that is....</div>
          </div>
        </div>
      </div>
    </blockquote>
    <br></div>
    I'd say he was more worried about the policy being used for much
    more than it is currently intended for. (referenced to the colour of
    people's hair as a reason to cut them off the Internet).<br>
    <br>
    <blockquote type="cite"><div class="m_-4330836854662846082elided-text">
      <div dir="auto">
        <div dir="auto">
          <div dir="auto">
            <div dir="auto">"To allocate resources and maintain the
              accuracy of the database".PERIOD. [1]</div>
            <div dir="auto"><br>
            </div>
            <div dir="auto">Noah</div>
            <div dir="auto"><br>
            </div>
            <div dir="auto"><span style="font-family:sans-serif">[1]I
                have had in the past folk state statements like "How
                some ome runs his network is none of anyones business
                and in that matter policing the network is none of
                AFRINICs business" </span><br>
            </div>
          </div>
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      <div class="gmail_extra"><br>
        <div class="gmail_quote">On 10 May 2017 10:39 a.m., "Andrew
          Alston" <<a href="mailto:Andrew.Alston@liquidtelecom.com" target="_blank">Andrew.Alston@liquidtelecom.c<wbr>om</a>>
          wrote:<br type="attribution">
          <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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                  <div style="direction:ltr">Thanks Marcus,</div>
                  <div><br>
                  </div>
                  <div style="direction:ltr">Just some feedback for the
                    community.</div>
                  <div><br>
                  </div>
                  <div style="direction:ltr">It's been a great
                    experience here at RIPE and some of the ideas given
                    and the extensive discussions following the
                    presentation referred to by Marcus have been both
                    useful and informative.</div>
                  <div><br>
                  </div>
                  <div style="direction:ltr">Draft 2 will be submitted
                    shortly very much in line with what I presented in
                    that presentation - and before the 7 day deadline as
                    per the PDP so we can discuss on that basis.</div>
                  <div><br>
                  </div>
                  <div style="direction:ltr">Following the meeting in
                    Nairobi, I suspect we will then be gathering still
                    further input and further drafts will follow, if
                    there is no consensus found on the floor for the
                    draft 2 that will be submitted.</div>
                  <div><br>
                  </div>
                  <div style="direction:ltr">I think for myself, the
                    most important thing I have seen at RIPE so far, is
                    the huge willingness by people from every walk of
                    life to engage in dialog and discussion over this,
                    and it was heartening to see both my own positions
                    and the positions of those I was discussing with
                    shift as explanations were given and questions were
                    asked and answered.  Since giving that presentation
                    I have barely had a minute to think as people
                    approached me to talk this through - and I really
                    hope to see such engagement in Nairobi, because it
                    truly showed the benefit of a multi stakeholder
                    approach where open dialog and communication can
                    happen, even in the absence of agreement and in the
                    face of controversial material where people hold
                    strong and emotive views.</div>
                  <div><br>
                  </div>
                  <div style="direction:ltr">I look forward to the
                    discussions on the floor of the PDP and engaging
                    with all of you to hear your thoughts and views and
                    finding the right solution to the issue.</div>
                  <div><br>
                  </div>
                  <div style="direction:ltr">Thanks</div>
                  <div><br>
                  </div>
                  <div style="direction:ltr">Andrew</div>
                  <div><br>
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                  <b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, May 9, 2017 11:48:42 PM<br>
                  <b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net" target="_blank">rpd@afrinic.net</a>;
                  <a href="mailto:community-discuss@afrinic.net" target="_blank">community-discuss@afrinic.net</a><br>
                  <b>Subject:</b> [Community-Discuss] Controversial
                  anti-shutdown policy discussed at RIPE</font>
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                  <div>Dear Colleagues.</div>
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                  <div>You might want to see the presentation of the
                    controversial draft anti-shutdown policy
                    (AFPUB-2017-GEN-001-DRAFT-01) at a recent RIPE
                    meeting.  I found the questions/comments from the
                    RIPE community similar to that shared by many on the
                    RPD, mostly about the inappropriateness of such
                    policy in our region… or any other for that matter. 
                    Enjoy watching it.</div>
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                  <div>Thanks</div>
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                  <p>Marcus</p>
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