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<p>On 08/05/2017 08:38, Eric C. Kom wrote:<br>
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<p>Wrong place to ask - but whatever.</p>
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<div class="gmail_default" style="color:rgb(39,78,19)">May
I have a correct address Mark?</div>
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This should probably be on the Community-discuss mailing lists.<br>
The RDP list is more for Policy discussions. <br>
Subscription info follows:<br>
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I'm replying here - so you can use this info to subscribe to
community-discuss. I expect you to subscribe and continue the
conversation there - please.<br>
I'm also pretty sure this conversation will help other people do the
same or similar as you.<br>
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You may also want to copy this discussion on the South African
mailing list of "IOZ" - where others in the local technical
community may assist you further.<br>
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<p>(Eric Kom runs a network at a further education
college in South Africa, I've helped him in the past
with Domain Names and he has been on my DNS/DNSSEC
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<p>You should ask for an End User block of address space
- which is expensive the first year then $100 (?) a
year after that. That would </p>
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contact AFRINIC.</div>
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Before that:<br>
Look on <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.afrinic.net/en/library/membership-documents">https://www.afrinic.net/en/library/membership-documents</a> - in
particular at
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.afrinic.net/en/library/membership-documents/200-ipv4-end-users-assignment">https://www.afrinic.net/en/library/membership-documents/200-ipv4-end-users-assignment</a>
(for the application form) and
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.afrinic.net/en/library/membership-documents/273-membership-fees">https://www.afrinic.net/en/library/membership-documents/273-membership-fees</a>
(for <b>End Site</b> membership fees).<br>
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You'd need to pay a once off Assignment fee of US$2500 and a
Membership (Annual) fee of US$200 (Sorry - got the price wrong in a
previous e-mail). You should ask if your "Further Educational
Status" gives you the right to have reduced fees as I assume this is
for the college you work at.<br>
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<p>be for a /24 or 256 IPv4 addresses. You should also
ask for a /48 of IPv6 address space and an ASN - which
currently costs nothing extra. I don't see this as
difficult. Technically -</p>
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<p> I believe you need to show that you will be talking
to more than one "provider" - thus needing your own
block IP. Providers include Exchange points (</p>
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JINX, NapAfrica @Teraco) as well as those people that
sell Transit to the rest of the Internet (Telkom, Posix
- etc).<br>
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understand clearly the above paragraph. Internet
provider or block IPs?</div>
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If your application is successful, you'll have your own "block" of
IP addresses. Some guidelines state:<br>
<p style="text-align: justify;">If you are a typical end-site or
customer and may need globally unique IPv4 addresses from your
ISP:</p>
<ul style="text-align: justify;">
<li>You can ask your LIR/ISP for address space, and must justify
the request.</li>
<li>If you want an IPv4 /24 or larger, you can:
<ul>
<li>Either request and possibly get it from your LIR/ISP
(recommended option), OR:</li>
<li>You can get it directly from AfriNIC, under the policy for
IP address assignments to end-sites, for the possible
reasons that:
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<li>You want to be independent from your ISP's IP address
space, to avoid returning the ISP's IP addresses and
renumbering your networks when you change ISPs.</li>
<li>Your ISP will not assign you the required IP address
space. </li>
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</ul>
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<li>You want to be independent from your ISP’s IP address space,
to avoid returning the ISP’s IP addresses and renumbering your
networks when you change ISPs.</li>
<li>Your ISP will not assign you the required IP address space.
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<li>Routability of the prefix assigned by AFRINIC is not
guaranteed, and is the responsibility of the end-site.</li>
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And from the Policy Manual, End User sites:
(<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.afrinic.net/library/policies/1829-afrinic-consolidated-policy-manual#IPv4End-UserPIAssignments">http://www.afrinic.net/library/policies/1829-afrinic-consolidated-policy-manual#IPv4End-UserPIAssignments</a>)<br>
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<p><strong>5.6 IPv4 End-User (PI) Assignments</strong></p>
<p>AFRINIC assigns blocks of IPv4 addresses to end-users who request
address space for their internal use in running their own
networks, but not for sub-delegation or reassignment of those
addresses outside their organization. End-users must meet some
requirements for justifying the assignment of an address block.</p>
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<p><strong>5.6.1 Minimum assignment</strong></p>
<p>In general, the minimum block of IP address space assigned by
AFRINIC to end- users is a /24. If assignments smaller than /24
are needed, end-users should contact their upstream provider.
Prefixes assigned to End-User will be from a block reserved for
that purpose.</p>
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<p><strong>5.6.2 First End-user assignment criteria</strong></p>
<p>The requesting End users must:</p>
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<li>Be an AFRINIC member in good standing</li>
<li>Show either an existing efficient utilization of at less /25
from their upstream provider.</li>
<li>Justify an immediate need of at less 50% of total requested
size based on their Network Infrastructure. For example, a new
company.</li>
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You'll then need to get you block routed out to the Internet. If
tunnelled over ADSL (to keep communication costs as low as possible)
then you'll need a Static address on your side and you'll need to
talk to an ISP that will accept your routes, to carry your traffic
onwards to the rest of the Internet. i.e. - They will need to
provide you with an end point for your tunnel.<br>
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Not sure if this makes anything clearer?<br>
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<p>Getting that routed natively may be a challenge -
especially over Telkom SA's ADSL product. If there is
a local fibre provider, it might be easier. Telkom SA
can sell you access to Metro Ethernet or other Digital
products and will Route (BGP) natively for you - but
way more expensive than ADSL type connections.<br>
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<div class="gmail_default"
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is difficult to get Fibre provider in my location White
River, I tried to look at Nelspruit, but could not
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<p>You could certainly tunnel the IPv6 block over to the
likes of Hurricane Electric though. You may also be
able to tunnel your IPv4 block over ADSL to someone
who would advertise it for you. It then becomes pretty
much transparent. Traditionally, you'll need a router
on you side that can talk BGP and perhaps run tunnels.
A Mikrotik should be an economic enough solution.<br>
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RouterBOARD already. </div>
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06/05/2017 09:35, Eric C. Kom wrote:<br>
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<div style="color:rgb(39,78,19)">Good day
Folks,</div>
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<div style="color:rgb(39,78,19)">I don't know if
I am using the right forum for this question!</div>
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<div style="color:rgb(39,78,19)">I have an
Internet Service Project that would need a
block of IP addresses between 100 to 200
addresses.</div>
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<div style="color:rgb(39,78,19)">As far as I
know, local ISP in South Africa do not provide
Internet Connection with more than 5 Static
IPs per package. </div>
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<div style="color:rgb(39,78,19)">My question is,
if I buy block of IPs from AFRINIC; how can I
routed those IPs to my Internet Connection?</div>
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<div style="color:rgb(39,78,19)">It is possible
to do so?</div>
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<div style="color:rgb(39,78,19)">Thanks in
advance.</div>
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Mark James ELKINS - Posix Systems - (South) Africa
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