<html><head><style>body{font-family:Helvetica,Arial;font-size:13px}</style></head><body style="word-wrap:break-word"><div id="bloop_customfont" style="font-family:Helvetica,Arial;font-size:13px;color:rgba(0,0,0,1.0);margin:0px;line-height:auto">Dear All,</div><div id="bloop_customfont" style="font-family:Helvetica,Arial;font-size:13px;color:rgba(0,0,0,1.0);margin:0px;line-height:auto"><br></div><div id="bloop_customfont" style="font-family:Helvetica,Arial;font-size:13px;color:rgba(0,0,0,1.0);margin:0px;line-height:auto">Afrinic should stay out of politics and focus on delivering concerns around Internet Addressing. The organisation should not start thinking of using its position to influence or condemn political stances of any African Government. When the dusts are clam, it could have a very serious impact on Afrinic and its perception.</div><div id="bloop_customfont" style="font-family:Helvetica,Arial;font-size:13px;color:rgba(0,0,0,1.0);margin:0px;line-height:auto"><br></div><div id="bloop_customfont" style="font-family:Helvetica,Arial;font-size:13px;color:rgba(0,0,0,1.0);margin:0px;line-height:auto">Political Neutrality should be its key tenet. IP Addressing abuse is what should concern Afrinic.</div><div id="bloop_customfont" style="font-family:Helvetica,Arial;font-size:13px;color:rgba(0,0,0,1.0);margin:0px;line-height:auto"><br></div><div id="bloop_customfont" style="font-family:Helvetica,Arial;font-size:13px;color:rgba(0,0,0,1.0);margin:0px;line-height:auto">I vehemently oppose any proposal that has an undertone of political partisanship.</div> <br> <div id="bloop_sign_1492069869428719104" class="bloop_sign"><div style="font-family:helvetica,arial;font-size:13px">-- <br><span style="font-family:'helvetica Neue',helvetica;line-height:normal">Regards,</span><br class="" style="font-family:'helvetica Neue',helvetica;line-height:normal"><span style="font-family:'helvetica Neue',helvetica;line-height:normal">Ademola Osindero</span><br class="" style="font-family:'helvetica Neue',helvetica;line-height:normal"><br class="" style="font-family:'helvetica Neue',helvetica;line-height:normal"><span style="font-family:'helvetica Neue',helvetica;line-height:normal">CEO/Consulting Director</span><br class="" style="font-family:'helvetica Neue',helvetica;line-height:normal"><span style="font-family:'helvetica Neue',helvetica;line-height:normal">Lopworks Limited</span><br class="" style="font-family:'helvetica Neue',helvetica;line-height:normal"><span style="font-family:'helvetica Neue',helvetica;line-height:normal">29 Ago Palace Way,</span><br class="" style="font-family:'helvetica Neue',helvetica;line-height:normal"><span style="font-family:'helvetica Neue',helvetica;line-height:normal">Okota, Isolo,</span><br class="" style="font-family:'helvetica Neue',helvetica;line-height:normal"><span style="font-family:'helvetica Neue',helvetica;line-height:normal">Lagos, Nigeria</span><br class="" style="font-family:'helvetica Neue',helvetica;line-height:normal"><br class="" style="font-family:'helvetica Neue',helvetica;line-height:normal"><a href="tel://Mob: +234 8058097820" style="font-family:'helvetica Neue',helvetica;line-height:normal">Mob: +234 8058097820</a><span style="font-family:'helvetica Neue',helvetica;line-height:normal">, </span><font face="helvetica Neue, helvetica"><span style="line-height:normal"><a href="tel://+234">+234</a></span></font><a href="tel://+234 8091291780" style="font-family:'helvetica Neue',helvetica;line-height:normal"> 8091291780</a><br class="" style="font-family:'helvetica Neue',helvetica;line-height:normal"><a href="tel://Tel: +234 1 3422633" style="font-family:'helvetica Neue',helvetica;line-height:normal">Tel: +234 1 3422633</a><br class="" style="font-family:'helvetica Neue',helvetica;line-height:normal"><span style="font-family:'helvetica Neue',helvetica;line-height:normal">Email: </span><a href="mailto:ademola@ng.lopworks.com" class="" style="font-family:'helvetica Neue',helvetica;line-height:normal">ademola@ng.lopworks.com</a><br class="" style="font-family:'helvetica Neue',helvetica;line-height:normal"><span style="font-family:'helvetica Neue',helvetica;line-height:normal">Web: </span><a href="http://www.lopworks.com/" class="" style="font-family:'helvetica Neue',helvetica;line-height:normal">http://www.lopworks.com</a></div></div> <br><p class="airmail_on">On 13 April 2017 at 08:25:02, Iyedi Goma (<a href="mailto:iyedigoma@gmail.com">iyedigoma@gmail.com</a>) wrote:</p> <blockquote type="cite" class="clean_bq"><span><div><div></div><div>
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<div dir="auto">Hello,
<div dir="auto"><br></div>
<div dir="auto">This internet shutdown is really a serious matter,
mostly for does you are really face once, in my case (congo
brazzaville)we face it two time during presidential election.</div>
<div dir="auto">The decision was coming directly from the
department of interior affairs and they don't care and believe if
they have any occasion that make again, they will do.</div>
<div dir="auto"><br></div>
<div dir="auto">So let us really analyze the situation, no
recommendations will put a kind of pressure on any African
government to didn't shutdown internet.</div>
<div dir="auto"><br></div>
<div dir="auto">The only voice they can.listen is by force</div>
<div dir="auto"><br></div>
<div dir="auto">Then this my question afrinic can be really a tools
to bring more pressure to the government??</div>
<div dir="auto">And what will be the react of local
community???</div>
<div dir="auto">More them should this permit de development of
internet in Africa once is going to break some relationship??</div>
<div dir="auto"><br></div>
<div dir="auto">I just need more light.</div>
<div dir="auto"><br></div>
<div dir="auto">Best regards</div>
<div dir="auto"><br></div>
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Today's Topics:<br>
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1. Re: New Policy Proposal - "Anti-Shutdown<br>
(AFPUB-2017-GEN-001-DRAFT-01)" (Timothy Ola
Akinfenwa)<br>
2. Re: New Policy Proposal - "Anti-Shutdown<br>
(AFPUB-2017-GEN-001-DRAFT-01)" (Tutu
Ngcaba)<br>
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Message: 1<br>
Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2017 08:00:27 +0100<br>
From: Timothy Ola Akinfenwa <<a href="mailto:akin.akinfenwa@uniosun.edu.ng">akin.akinfenwa@uniosun.edu.ng</a><wbr>><br>
To: Seun Ojedeji <<a href="mailto:seun.ojedeji@gmail.com">seun.ojedeji@gmail.com</a>><br>
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Subject: Re: [rpd] New Policy Proposal - "Anti-Shutdown<br>
(AFPUB-2017-GEN-001-DRAFT-01)"<br>
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+1 Seun, Arsen? and Badru<br>
<br>
?The case of Internet<br>
Shutdown is not only ?sensitive but very serious and should be
treated as<br>
such.<br>
<br>
13.1 In the event of an internet shutdown performed at the order of
a<br>
government that is either total or partial:<br>
<br>
1. For a period of 12 months following the end of the
shutdown ? AFRINIC<br>
will allocate no resources to the government of the
country. This also<br>
applies to all government owned entities and entities
that have direct<br>
provable relationships with said government.<br>
<br>
<br>
How do you justify the highlighted segment? I'm glad Andrew said
the<br>
authors are ready to reword this area to prevent the innocent
ones<br>
from suffering for no just cause. My people say that "Government
will only<br>
cut the finger(s) that sinned" (literally). There must be a
justifiable<br>
reason to paralyze the activities of academic institutions and
agencies of<br>
Governments who are individual AFRINIC members just because
their<br>
respective Governments ordered an internet shutdown.<br>
<br>
The issues raised by Badru on whether AFRINIC has a mandate to
perform this<br>
policing role should also be considered.<br>
<br>
Someone on the list has also asked if a similar policy is already
in place<br>
in other regions. We need info on this please, it might just help
the<br>
community to move forward in the right direction.<br>
<br>
I also think the "Secret Working Group" may just be available to
assist in<br>
this area through dialogue with Governments with intention to
shutdown or<br>
after shutting down the internet.<br>
<br>
In all, bringing up a policy with the objective to punish the
members of<br>
the AFRINIC community (directly or indirectly) to whom AFRINIC has
been<br>
mandated to serve is inappropriate.<br>
<br>
Kind Regards<br>
<br>
On Apr 12, 2017 10:10 AM, "Seun Ojedeji" <<a href="mailto:seun.ojedeji@gmail.com">seun.ojedeji@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:<br>
<br>
> Hello,<br>
><br>
> These are government entities(their addresses and contacts
will give you a<br>
> hint) and my point is that banning/restricting government
entities because<br>
> the presidency gave an order to shutdown the internet isn't
appropriate.<br>
> The government itself that gave the order isn't the member, it
is her<br>
> entities that are members and those entities did not need to
get approval<br>
> of the presidency to acquire their space. Going the proposed
route:<br>
><br>
> - Does not promote the open internet me and you are clamouring
for.<br>
> - Will not make AFRINIC sustainable in the long run<br>
> - May serve as a distraction to AFRINIC in performing her core
function of<br>
> keeping record and administration of IP resource for our
region.<br>
> - Takes AFRINIC from being a neutral entity to being more
politically<br>
> inclined<br>
> - In the long run, It further breaks the internet than fix it
because I<br>
> will then have to resolve to NATing if I can't get access to
my space<br>
> anymore<br>
> - It exposes AFRINIC to unnecessary legal suits from those
entities which<br>
> AFRINIC has an agreement with, also consider the legal cost
that will be<br>
> involved<br>
> - It affects the economy negatively and reduces competition
among<br>
> providers.<br>
> - At first it sounds like it will help service providers which
are<br>
> privately owned but in the long run it wouldn't because some
of the<br>
> providers income can still be traced to those govt
entities.<br>
><br>
> Again while the intent is great, a policy at RIR level cannot
be the<br>
> solution. So this is not a matter of rewording the policy in a
way that is<br>
> acceptable its more that this isn't practical (especially if
we want to<br>
> re-word to apply to govt alone because they are not the
members) and it is<br>
> unreasonable/unfair if we want to apply it to govt
entities.<br>
><br>
> Regards<br>
><br>
> On Tue, Apr 11, 2017 at 11:05 PM, Keshwarsingh Nadan
<<a href="mailto:kn@millenium.net.mu">kn@millenium.net.mu</a>><br>
> wrote:<br>
><br>
>> >Overall, the fact that there is NO member within
AFRINIC database called<br>
>> "government" makes this proposal impractical.<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> whois -h <a href="http://whois.afrinic.net" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">whois.afrinic.net</a> " -B -T
organisation government"<br>
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On 13 Apr 2017 9:33 a.m., "Seun Ojedeji" <<a href="mailto:seun.ojedeji@gmail.com">seun.ojedeji@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:<br>
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Hello again,<br>
<br>
<br>
Hello brother Seun,<br>
<br>
<br>
I have been following this thread but I think I may have been
saying things<br>
a little lightly so let me be a little bit frank here. I wonder
what<br>
"balance"(as Kris puts it) we are looking for as this isn't just a
policy<br>
that should pass in any manner or form! We are here talking about
internet<br>
shutdown implications (like Tamon indicated), is anyone really
considering<br>
implications for AFRINIC as an organisation, yeah you heard me
right.<br>
<br>
<br>
I think some members are just supporting the bad policy proposal
without<br>
thinking of the big impact. We have to use wisdom sometimes my
brothers.<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
Imagine this policy passes and then it gets implemented in say
Mauritius,<br>
ofcourse AFRINIC will loose her welcome by default (or you think
govt that<br>
has the gut to shutdown internet will not retaliate). So we then
move to<br>
another country which could also have shutdowns as well. I have no
idea why<br>
we think we can discipline or get govt to behave with an RIR policy
like<br>
the one being proposed. It's just a fantasy at best; "who made
us<br>
lords over the govt" comes to mind easily.<br>
<br>
<br>
I also wonder this is why i ask the motive of the authors of this
policy at<br>
this time since internet shuts has been happening in the past
but<br>
eventually it is back when politics problem is resolved.<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
We are here claiming that by withdrawing/banning IP resource from
govt<br>
entities will put them off the internet, well maybe temporarily but
I can<br>
assure you that one of those ISP that may add +1 to this policy
(including<br>
authors) will provide a solution to the govt, just that it will be
a<br>
solution that further breaks the internet<br>
<br>
<br>
This is why i feel the policy proposal does not make sense.
Maybe Authors<br>
just get excited because the Afrinic send statements about
government<br>
internet shutdown.<br>
<br>
But the ISP which say yet to such polic, that ISP will loose its
license<br>
immediately as regulator will punish the ISP and the customers will
suffer<br>
internet lose and the economy too as it will lead to unemployment
of ISP<br>
people since the ISP which supports this will be anti-government
ISP.<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
Going forward I do not feel what we are even discussing here
should<br>
continue<br>
<br>
<br>
Yes i agree as its wastage of the time here already.<br>
<br>
However the substance of the policy which is the shutdown
should be an<br>
agenda item to discuss at upcoming AIS.<br>
<br>
<br>
Yes i also agree as the Afrinic has the government working group
which the<br>
government people like regulatord can attend workshop and the
Afrinic can<br>
also engage them in this hot topic.<br>
<br>
<br>
The following question comes to mind:<br>
What more role can AFRINIC play in fighting against internet
shutdowns<br>
(such role should !=policy)<br>
<br>
<br>
I think this is a valid question for the Afrinic to consider
during<br>
meetings to come also when the Afrinic goes to the countries they
have to<br>
raise the issue.<br>
<br>
Best Regards,<br>
<br>
Tutu Ngcaba<br>
Kwazulu Techno Hubs<br>
South Africa<br>
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