<div dir="auto">Brother Andrew<div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Its not the first time for such issue to be discussee globally.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">After Arab spring and internet cut in Lybia and Egypt civil unrest and other countries even Syria, this issue has been discussed.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">When disaster cause Internet  cut in Haiti or Japan, internet cut is discussed.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">When some governments block facebook or twitter in some countries this issue was reported globally and even people like Mark Zuckerburg condemn it.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">So the draconic policy you propose is not solution even if its discussed in America or Register of UK and twitter.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">This issue for me i believe as an African we can discuss it through wider community channels and other mailing list and not through harsh policy proposals. </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">We discuss it as a fundamental problem that can be addresses through consultation with different stake holders especially our governments.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Different countries have different culture and different style of governance, some democratic, others kingdoms, others long standing regimes, others iron fist.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Only multistake holder engagement is solution and the Afrinic can champion that among other things like trainings and meetings which the Afrinic conducts.</div><div dir="auto"><br><div data-smartmail="gmail_signature" dir="auto">Best Regards,<br><br>Tutu Ngcaba<br>Kwazulu Techno Hubs<br>South Africa<br>    </div></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 13 Apr 2017 12:32 p.m., "Andrew Alston" <<a href="mailto:Andrew.Alston@liquidtelecom.com">Andrew.Alston@liquidtelecom.com</a>> wrote:<br type="attribution"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">





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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Interestingly enough – this policy has already served as a catalyst for global discussion – and continues to do so.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">It has appeared all over twitter, it appeared on <a href="http://theregister.co.uk" target="_blank">theregister.co.uk</a>, it has appeared in discussions on various IRC chat rooms, it has been debated
 on the enog mailing list and in many other forums around the world. <u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">The policy as it stands as I have said, has its flaws, but it is providing a platform for discussions about the way forward and potential solutions,
 and as such, I believe it should stand, so that this debate can also be had on the floor of the PDP meeting.  Let us debate this issue – and let us find common stance to combat the insidious nature of these shutdowns.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Tutu Ngcaba [mailto:<a href="mailto:pan.afrikhan@gmail.com" target="_blank">pan.afrikhan@gmail.com</a><wbr>]
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<b>Sent:</b> 13 April 2017 12:25<br>
<b>To:</b> Kris Seeburn <<a href="mailto:seeburn.k@gmail.com" target="_blank">seeburn.k@gmail.com</a>><br>
<b>Cc:</b> AfriNIC List <<a href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net" target="_blank">rpd@afrinic.net</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [rpd] New Policy Proposal - "Anti-Shutdown (AFPUB-2017-GEN-001-DRAFT-01)"<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">As you can see this issue not only in our Africa.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Can the Afrinic steer this discussion across a wider community.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">This is not a policy issue, its a hot topical issue that is beyond even draconic policy proposal as one of the Authors said.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">May the Authors widthraw the harsh proposal and let the Afrinic lead and engage entire african community through mailing lists like community discuss and africann as this lists will engage everyone
 and encourage a multistakeholder wider discussion.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Best Regards,<br>
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Tutu Ngcaba<br>
Kwazulu Techno Hubs<br>
South Africa<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On 13 Apr 2017 12:06 p.m., "Kris Seeburn" <<a href="mailto:seeburn.k@gmail.com" target="_blank">seeburn.k@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">It is actually good to look at stats and reality. Again as i said before the philosophy of the policy brought forward is a fact that we cannot turn our back from, but we as the community need to see what and how best interest we can support
 ourselves and not let governments decide on what we as a right to information get through the internet or not. We are all reasonable people who understand challenges. Since the UN classifies Internet as a human right we should act but i would not necessarily
 act and use the heavy duty artillery in the policy but am sure we can collectively find something that can work in the right way.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><a href="http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/01/28/egypt_vodafone_shuts/" target="_blank">http://www.theregister.co.uk/<wbr>2011/01/28/egypt_vodafone_<wbr>shuts/</a><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><a href="http://edition.cnn.com/2017/02/03/africa/internet-shutdown-cameroon/" target="_blank">http://edition.cnn.com/2017/<wbr>02/03/africa/internet-<wbr>shutdown-cameroon/</a><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><a href="https://turkeyblocks.org/2016/10/27/new-internet-shutdown-turkey-southeast-offline-diyarbakir-unrest/" target="_blank">https://turkeyblocks.org/2016/<wbr>10/27/new-internet-shutdown-<wbr>turkey-southeast-offline-<wbr>diyarbakir-unrest/</a><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Apr 13, 2017, at 12:20 PM, Mukom Akong T. <<a href="mailto:mukom.tamon@gmail.com" target="_blank">mukom.tamon@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On 13 April 2017 at 11:56, Arnaud AMELINA <<a href="mailto:amelnaud@gmail.com" target="_blank">amelnaud@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p>
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Very bad observation, do you want to confirm us through this observation that Afrinic has no system of redundancy and did not foresee in the case just where the Internet was cut in Mauritius.</span>
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It is dangerous that, I then call Afrinic technical staff to kindly from this day put himself in condition to set up a backup in case of this has not been done yet.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">- no organization I know of has double of each staff in different countries for the purpose of redundancy. Reality is that in the event of a shutdown, even with technical redundancy -  capacity will be diminished. <u></u><u></u></p>
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