<div dir="ltr"><div><div><div>AfriNIC acting as Internet police?<br><br></div>Let's be realistic and, most importantly, humble.<br><br></div>AfriNIC issuing a statement on the discussed issue is one thing; trying to "punish" governments and all suspected accomplices is a completely different game.<br><br></div>Boubakar<br> <br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Apr 12, 2017 at 6:38 PM, Mark Elkins <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:mje@posix.co.za" target="_blank">mje@posix.co.za</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
  
    
  
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    <p>Not really. The Policy is intended to affect the
      people/departments/decision makers that are actually causing a
      shutdown to happen.<br>
      i.e. - not Universities, Hospitals, Businesses or Joe Public.<br>
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    <p>If the Government were also to suddenly change (Arab Spring
      style) then the ban would also presumably be immediately lifted.<br>
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    After all - what is the point of AFRINIC (whose fundamental role is
    to promote Internet growth and penetration in Africa) servicing
    governments who don't allow the people to have Internet service, or
    who keep switching it off.<br>
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    ps. Can someone point me to an article or two that explains the
    reason <b>why</b> the anglophones have been denied Internet in the
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    <div class="m_-1869182766194130358moz-cite-prefix">On 12/04/2017 20:09, Honest Ornella
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        <div>So in order to stop internet shutdowns by governments,
          AFRINIC (whose fundamental role is to promote Internet growth
          and penetration in Africa), will now further punish the same
          community it serves by shutting down ISP's and alienating the
          target governments? </div>
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        <div>How does that work? (genuine question)<br>
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                            <div>Honest Ornella GANKPA<br>
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        <div class="gmail_quote">2017-04-12 9:46 GMT+01:00 Maye Diop <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:mayediop@gmail.com" target="_blank">mayediop@gmail.com</a>></span>:<br>
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            <div dir="ltr">Dear All,
              <div>We all accept that this is a big issue and Even if
                AfGWG does not have any interference with policy, I
                would like to remind tthat one <span style="color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12px">Objective
                  of the Working Group is </span><span style="background-color:initial;color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12px">To
                  strengthen the collaboration between AFRINIC and
                  African Governments and Regulators to promote
                  sustainable and secure Internet development in Africa.</span>
                <div><font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif" color="#333333"><span style="font-size:12px">Putting
                      in place a </span></font><span style="color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12px">discriminatory </span><span style="font-size:12px;color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">policy
                    for Government and privating a country of ressources
                    will  neither help to involve more government on
                    AFRINIC activities to help them to better understand
                    nor bring any change if they decided to take
                    decisions to shutdown Internet.</span></div>
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              <div><font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif" color="#333333"><span style="font-size:12px">I'll vote
                    for a </span></font><span style="color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12px">dedicated </span><span style="color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12px">high </span><span style="color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12px">worklevel
                  shop to raise this issue at regional level.</span></div>
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                  <div class="gmail_quote">2017-04-12 5:28 GMT+00:00
                    Vymala <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:vymala@afrinic.net" target="_blank">vymala@afrinic.net</a>></span>:<br>
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                      <div style="word-wrap:break-word">Hello Barrack
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                              <p>, i would be keen to understand whether
                                the same has gone through the AFRINIC 
                                Government working group as Seun has
                                indicated and their views on the same,</p>
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                          <div>As you know the Community draft Proposals
                            and Policies and AFRINIC does not interfere
                            in any case in the process.</div>
                          <div>In this case the  "Anti-Shutdown
                            (AFPUB-2017-GEN-001-DRAFT-01)” is addressing
                            Internet Shutdown and concerns Governments.</div>
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                          <div>There is no policy or proposal that needs
                            to be validated by the AFRINIC Government
                            Working Group as the AfGWG is a closed and
                            dedicated</div>
                          <div>forum for Governments, Regulators and
                            LEA’s to discuss on opportunities and
                            challenges they are facing with regards to
                            the Internet Development in Africa amongst
                            other.</div>
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                          <div>I hope this clear your question.<br>
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                                    <div>On 12 Apr 2017, at 6:55 AM,
                                      Barrack Otieno <<a href="mailto:otieno.barrack@gmail.com" target="_blank">otieno.barrack@gmail.com</a>>
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                                      <p>Hi colleagues,</p>
                                      <p>Interesting proposal, given the
                                        role of governments in our
                                        eco-system , i would be keen to
                                        understand whether the same has
                                        gone through the AFRINIC 
                                        Government working group as Seun
                                        has indicated and their views on
                                        the same, i think we should
                                        endeavour to keep the Internet
                                        on at all costs, any punitive
                                        measure that can result in
                                        switching off the Internet or
                                        denying users access in any part
                                        of the world is not ideal in my
                                        humble opinion.</p>
                                      <p>Regards</p>
                                      <div class="gmail_quote">On Apr
                                        12, 2017 1:52 AM, "Keshwarsingh
                                        Nadan" <<a href="mailto:kn@millenium.net.mu" target="_blank">kn@millenium.net.mu</a>>
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                                          >In Section 1 of
                                          AFPUB-2017-GEN-001-DRAFT-01,
                                          it is stated that "these<br>
                                          >shutdowns have been shown
                                          to cause economic damage". 
                                          Could you<br>
                                          >please provide some data
                                          about the economic damage?<br>
                                          <br>
                                          I confine myself within bounds
                                          better suited to my own
                                          capacity, perhaps this could
                                          help?<br>
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                                          <a href="https://www.brookings.edu/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/intenet-shutdowns-v-3.pdf" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.brookings.edu/wp-c<wbr>ontent/uploads/2016/10/intenet<wbr>-shutdowns-v-3.pdf</a><br>
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                                          >What is the meaning of
                                          "direct provable
                                          relationships" in Section
                                          13.1?<br>
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