<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto"><div>This policy is beautiful but needs a focus on a specific group as target. Until this is decided, i consider it a dangerous and a harmful one!<br><br><div>-----------------</div><div>Arsène Tungali,</div><div>@arsenebaguma</div><div>+243 993810967</div><div>GPG: 523644A0</div><div>Goma, Democratic Republic of Congo</div><div><br></div>Sent from my iPhone (excuse typos)</div><div><br>On Apr 12, 2017, at 8:38 PM, Mark Elkins <<a href="mailto:mje@posix.co.za">mje@posix.co.za</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div>
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<p>Not really. The Policy is intended to affect the
people/departments/decision makers that are actually causing a
shutdown to happen.<br>
i.e. - not Universities, Hospitals, Businesses or Joe Public.<br>
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<p>If the Government were also to suddenly change (Arab Spring
style) then the ban would also presumably be immediately lifted.<br>
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After all - what is the point of AFRINIC (whose fundamental role is
to promote Internet growth and penetration in Africa) servicing
governments who don't allow the people to have Internet service, or
who keep switching it off.<br>
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ps. Can someone point me to an article or two that explains the
reason <b>why</b> the anglophones have been denied Internet in the
Cameroon.<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 12/04/2017 20:09, Honest Ornella
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<div>So in order to stop internet shutdowns by governments,
AFRINIC (whose fundamental role is to promote Internet growth
and penetration in Africa), will now further punish the same
community it serves by shutting down ISP's and alienating the
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<div>How does that work? (genuine question)<br>
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<div class="gmail_quote">2017-04-12 9:46 GMT+01:00 Maye Diop <span dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:mayediop@gmail.com" target="_blank">mayediop@gmail.com</a>></span>:<br>
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<div dir="ltr">Dear All,
<div>We all accept that this is a big issue and Even if
AfGWG does not have any interference with policy, I
would like to remind tthat one <span style="color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12px">Objective
of the Working Group is </span><span style="background-color:initial;color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12px">To
strengthen the collaboration between AFRINIC and
African Governments and Regulators to promote
sustainable and secure Internet development in Africa.</span>
<div><font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif" color="#333333"><span style="font-size:12px">Putting
in place a </span></font><span style="color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12px">discriminatory </span><span style="font-size:12px;color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">policy
for Government and privating a country of ressources
will neither help to involve more government on
AFRINIC activities to help them to better understand
nor bring any change if they decided to take
decisions to shutdown Internet.</span></div>
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<div><font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif" color="#333333"><span style="font-size:12px">I'll vote
for a </span></font><span style="color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12px">dedicated </span><span style="color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12px">high </span><span style="color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12px">worklevel
shop to raise this issue at regional level.</span></div>
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Vymala <span dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:vymala@afrinic.net" target="_blank">vymala@afrinic.net</a>></span>:<br>
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<p>, i would be keen to understand whether
the same has gone through the AFRINIC
Government working group as Seun has
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<div>As you know the Community draft Proposals
and Policies and AFRINIC does not interfere
in any case in the process.</div>
<div>In this case the "Anti-Shutdown
(AFPUB-2017-GEN-001-DRAFT-01)” is addressing
Internet Shutdown and concerns Governments.</div>
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<div>There is no policy or proposal that needs
to be validated by the AFRINIC Government
Working Group as the AfGWG is a closed and
dedicated</div>
<div>forum for Governments, Regulators and
LEA’s to discuss on opportunities and
challenges they are facing with regards to
the Internet Development in Africa amongst
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<div>I hope this clear your question.<br>
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Barrack Otieno <<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:otieno.barrack@gmail.com" target="_blank">otieno.barrack@gmail.com</a>>
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<p>Hi colleagues,</p>
<p>Interesting proposal, given the
role of governments in our
eco-system , i would be keen to
understand whether the same has
gone through the AFRINIC
Government working group as Seun
has indicated and their views on
the same, i think we should
endeavour to keep the Internet
on at all costs, any punitive
measure that can result in
switching off the Internet or
denying users access in any part
of the world is not ideal in my
humble opinion.</p>
<p>Regards</p>
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12, 2017 1:52 AM, "Keshwarsingh
Nadan" <<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:kn@millenium.net.mu" target="_blank">kn@millenium.net.mu</a>>
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>In Section 1 of
AFPUB-2017-GEN-001-DRAFT-01,
it is stated that "these<br>
>shutdowns have been shown
to cause economic damage".
Could you<br>
>please provide some data
about the economic damage?<br>
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I confine myself within bounds
better suited to my own
capacity, perhaps this could
help?<br>
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<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="https://www.brookings.edu/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/intenet-shutdowns-v-3.pdf" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.brookings.edu/wp-c<wbr>ontent/uploads/2016/10/intenet<wbr>-shutdowns-v-3.pdf</a><br>
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>What is the meaning of
"direct provable
relationships" in Section
13.1?<br>
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understand the basic meaning
of whatever you quoted above.<br>
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