<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><div class="">Arsene / all</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">I am in total agreement with you on your different points. The issue however we like to put it stands behind political/government decisions. The regulator acts on behalf of the government and of course forces ISPs to act or react. The fight for net neutrality and freedom of the internet which United Nations has described and laid down as a human right. </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">The challenges exists everywhere. America for example has decided to kick the subject of Net neutrality away and the FCC is going to lay down its plans sooner than later. On our continent this reality does not always come forward. We all are fighting for an equal right as any one person in the world. The driver is to grow internet penetration everywhere on the continent but if we start or lets say the governments start putting in actions like we know what happens in china and in our cases shutdowns when there is an election or bipartisanship. A technology that brings social and economical benefit in our region is only harmful. </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">I am with many of you to say we need to revisit the actions we are talking about but am sure the community at large would surely find a reasonable action that does not affect too much of the membership and community whilst doing so.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">I don’t think i have a magic wand that would see through an action or a solution just now. But i am incumbent to say this internet shutdowns and many actions around them is unfair to all. I am sure and believe the community at large would surely find something that would realistically impact greatly. </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Seun has also put in the right action towards Government working group. The issue is we can try to make regulators more complacent and understanding but if you look back they act not by themselves but what the ruling political party wants and decides. Personally, i am unsure how we tackle the government and not the regulator directly but surely something is needed to be done. Perhaps the actions specified in this policy may not be the right approach but i have to commend that we are all in agreement that something needs to be done.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">One area is afrinic outreach messages for sure but there is more each one of us can bring to the table. I feel we would eventually find the balance going forward. We need to fight the right war not ourselves to get a result. That is my utter belief.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Kris</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><br class=""><div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Apr 12, 2017, at 6:13 PM, Arsène Tungali <<a href="mailto:arsenebaguma@gmail.com" class="">arsenebaguma@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><p class="MsoNormal">Hi everyone,</p><p class="MsoNormal"><br class=""></p><p class="MsoNormal">Internet shutdowns is a topic that I am interested in so
much and have been involved in research, drafting statements sent to government
officials, have spoken in various avenues and have written pieces for websites,
blogs, journals, etc. I consider myself being an advocate of an open and
accessible internet to all. I am opposed to any form of disruption over the
network including Internet shutdown whatever the reason.</p><p class="MsoNormal"><br class=""></p><p class="MsoNormal">For those of us who have little knowledge on this, I would
suggest two links:</p><p class="gmail-MsoListParagraphCxSpFirst" style=""><span class=""><span class="">-<span style="font:7pt "times new roman"" class="">
</span></span></span>One which is a report on the State of Internet
freedoms in DRC (my country): <a href="http://cipesa.org/?wpfb_dl=234" class="">http://cipesa.org/?wpfb_dl=234</a></p><p class="gmail-MsoListParagraphCxSpLast" style=""><span class=""><span class="">-<span style="font:7pt "times new roman"" class="">
</span></span></span>And a blogpost I recently wrote for CIPESA on
the same issue: <a href="http://cipesa.org/2017/03/the-evolution-of-internet-shutdowns-in-dr-congo/" class="">http://cipesa.org/2017/03/the-evolution-of-internet-shutdowns-in-dr-congo/</a></p><p class="MsoNormal">I am also a believer that we need concrete actions (more
than just statements) to help our governments understand that for no reason,
they should shutdown the Internet. In DRC, we are at 4% Internet penetration,
yet we have experienced Internet shutdown more than 4 times, being one of those
African countries that have been seriously touched (Cameroon is now leading). And
we felt the effect of being disconnected to all communications including SMS,
Internet, etc. It is harmful!</p><p class="MsoNormal"><br class=""></p><p class="MsoNormal">I was one of those who sent praises to AFRINIC for issuing a
statement condemning Internet shutdowns and I am glad as a community, we have
been thinking on some practical measures that will, hopefully, force our
government to no longer consider Internet shutdown whenever they are trying to
hide something. I would like to congratulate the authors of this proposal but I
am not yet in support of the measures they have suggested because, to sum up my
point here, <i class="">this will cause so much damage to those entities that will not
benefit from resources though they are not associated with the decision (which
is a Gov decision most of the times) to shutdown the Internet</i>.</p><p class="MsoNormal"><br class=""></p><p class="MsoNormal">I note so many other people including Seun have mentioned this
in this thread.</p><p class="MsoNormal"><br class=""></p><p class="MsoNormal">After reading the proposal, I have the following comment
which are leading my worry in supporting this proposal as it is:</p><p class="MsoNormal"><i class="">We need measures that will only affect the entity ordering
the shutdown (the Government then the Regulator). In my country for example, it is the Regulator
who is executing an order that came from the Gov. If we decide to not deliver resources
to other entities (Schools, research centers, etc), be they related to the Gov,
we will be doing more bad to them as they will simply be victims.</i></p><p class="MsoNormal"><br class=""></p><p class="MsoNormal">I am glad the authors are all from ISPs (if I am not
mistaken), which is a good sign. In this debate across Africa, there were close
to no statement or action from ISPs with regards to Internet shutdown though
they are the ones executing, in most cases, the decision to turn it off, a
request they receive from the Regulator. In most cases, they have no means to
say no given the fact that they have signed an agreement (MoU) with the Gov to
abide by any request from the Gov including network disruptions (this is
applicable in DRC as per the report I previously shared).</p><p class="MsoNormal"><br class=""></p><p class="MsoNormal">I do believe there is more ISPs can help with in the battle
against Government ordered shutdowns and if something like this can be added to
this policy, that will be helpful. One of the possibilities are to engage the
Gov. in a win-win discussion. You guys are doing business with the Gov. and you
lose money whenever there is shutdown. There is a way you can find an agreement
with the Gov. and discuss the fact that you cannot continue losing money when
there is no appealing reason to shutdown the Internet. We have ISPs as AFRINIC
members, this is something they can think of and come up with a proposal (with the support of the community).</p><p class="MsoNormal"><br class=""></p><p class="MsoNormal">If ever this proposal goes further, I would suggest these
measures to ONLY affect the Regulator (not sure if they are also members of
AFRINIC but they might) rather than any entity owned or related to/by the
Government. We will be doing more harm than good.</p><p class="MsoNormal"><br class=""></p><p class="MsoNormal">Thanks,</p><p class="MsoNormal">Arsene </p>
</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br clear="all" class=""><div class=""><div class="gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div class="">------------------------<br class="">*<b class="">Arsène Tungali</b>*<br class=""></div>Co-Founder & Executive Director, <span class=""><i class=""><a href="http://www.rudiinternational.org/" target="_blank" class="">Rudi international</a></i>,</span><br class="">CEO,<i class=""> <a href="http://www.smart-serv.info/" target="_blank" class="">Smart Services Sarl</a></i>, <i class=""><a href="http://www.mabingwa-forum.com/" target="_blank" class="">Mabingwa Forum</a></i> <br class="">Tel: +243 993810967<i class=""><br class=""></i></div><div class="">GPG: 523644A0<i class=""><br class=""></i></div><div class=""><u class="">Goma, Democratic Republic of Congo</u><i class=""><br class=""><br class=""></i></div><div class=""><a href="http://tungali.blogspot.com/2015/06/selected-for-2015-mandela-washington.html" target="_blank" class="">2015 Mandela Washington Felllow</a> (YALI) - ISOC Ambassador (IGF <a href="http://www.internetsociety.org/what-we-do/education-and-leadership-programmes/next-generation-leaders/igf-ambassadors-programme/Past-Ambassadors" target="_blank" class="">Brazil</a> & <a href="http://www.internetsociety.org/what-we-do/education-and-leadership-programmes/next-generation-leaders/Current-Ambassadors" target="_blank" class="">Mexico</a>) <font face="monospace,monospace" class="">- <a href="http://afrisig.org/afrisig-2016/class-of-2016/" target="_blank" class="">AFRISIG 2016</a> - </font><a href="http://tungali.blogspot.com/" target="_blank" class="">Blogger</a> - ICANN Fellow (<a href="https://www.icann.org/news/announcement-2014-07-18-en" target="_blank" class="">Los Angeles</a> & <a href="https://www.icann.org/resources/pages/marrakech55-attendees-2016-03-14-en" target="_blank" class="">Marrakech</a>).<i class=""> </i>AFRINIC Fellow<i class=""> </i>(<a href="http://www.afrinic.net/en/library/news/1907-afrinic-25-fellowship-winners" target="_blank" class="">Mauritius</a>)<i class=""> - </i><a href="http://www.igfsa.org/" target="_blank" class="">IGFSA Member</a> - Internet Governance - Internet Freedom.<i class=""> </i><br class=""><br class="">Check the <a href="http://cipesa.org/?wpfb_dl=234" target="_blank" class="">2016 State of Internet Freedom in DRC report</a><br class=""></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div>
<br class=""><div class="gmail_quote">2017-04-12 15:20 GMT+02:00 Mukom Akong T. <span dir="ltr" class=""><<a href="mailto:mukom.tamon@gmail.com" target="_blank" class="">mukom.tamon@gmail.com</a>></span>:<br class=""><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr" class="">**wearing NO hat**<br class=""><div class="gmail_extra"><br class=""><div class="gmail_quote"><span class="">On 12 April 2017 at 14:02, Barrack Otieno <span dir="ltr" class=""><<a href="mailto:otieno.barrack@gmail.com" target="_blank" class="">otieno.barrack@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br class=""><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><p class="">Hi Mukom,</p><p class="">Understood, i raised this point because i am aware of the fact that it has not been easy to get the Afrinic Government working group going and this could be a great area of engaging this group since most of the shutdowns can be attributed to lack of knowledge by key actors and sheer ignorance.</p></blockquote><div class=""><br class=""></div></span><div class="">The job of building capacity with governments is important and definitely will continue - not just from AFRINIC, but also from other stake-holders - irrespective of the outcome of this proposal. But that's a side issue.</div><span class=""><div class=""> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><p class=""> As a key stakeholder it would be great idea to include them in this conversation.</p></blockquote><div class=""><br class=""></div></span><div class="">I don't see any attempt to exclude them. The AFRINIC PDP is open to all. Each and every person that has ever been to the AFGWG knows about this mailing list and how to take part in it. I'm hoping that they are following and we'll be seeing contributions from them soon (some already have responded)</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">My point was that there's no room in the PDP for the community to wait ad-infinitum for a response from them. </div><span class=""><div class=""> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><p class=""> The proposal is well intentioned but the outcome might be in the interest of proponents of Internet shutdowns.</p></blockquote><div class=""><br class=""></div></span><div class="">It would greatly enhance this discussion if you could state how this will be in their interest. </div><span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888" class=""><div class=""><br class=""></div></font></span></div><span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888" class=""><div class=""><br class=""></div>-- <br class=""><div class="m_-653890403956293644gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class=""><br class="">Mukom Akong T.<br class=""><br class=""><span style="font-family:inherit;font-style:inherit;font-variant:inherit;line-height:inherit;color:rgb(51,51,51);margin:0px;padding:0px;border:0px;vertical-align:baseline" class=""><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/mukom" target="_blank" class="">LinkedIn:Mukom</a> </span> | twitter: @perfexcellent <div style="margin:0px;padding:0px;border:0px;font-family:helvetica,arial,sans-serif;vertical-align:baseline;line-height:17px;color:rgb(51,51,51)" class=""><form action="https://www.linkedin.com/profile/vanity-name-submit" name="m_-653890403956293644_UNIQUE_ID_SafeHtmlFilter_vanityUrlForm" method="POST" style="margin:0px;padding:0px;border:0px;font-style:inherit;font-family:inherit;vertical-align:baseline;font-variant:inherit;line-height:inherit" target="_blank" onsubmit="try {return window.confirm("Ces informations seront envoyées vers une page externe. \nVoulez-vous continuer ?");} catch (e) {return false;}" class=""><ul style="margin:0px;padding:0px;border:0px;font-style:inherit;font-family:inherit;vertical-align:baseline;list-style:none;font-variant:inherit;line-height:inherit" class=""></ul></form></div>------------------------------<wbr class="">------------------------------<wbr class="">------------------------------<wbr class="">------------------------------<wbr class="">------------------<br class="">“When you work, you are the FLUTE through whose lungs the whispering of the hours turns to MUSIC" - Kahlil Gibran<br class="">------------------------------<wbr class="">------------------------------<wbr class="">------------------------------<wbr class="">------------------------------<wbr class="">-------------------<br class=""></div></div></div>
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