<div dir="ltr">Hi everyone,<div><br></div><div><div>From my point of view, I don’t see anything sad about it. I see progress and an opportunity to improve our PDP process.   </div><div><br></div><div>The Co-Chairs have done a good job of presenting the main points of the discussions we had. Why not contribute or comment on that as requested? </div><div><br></div><div>One lesson I learned from this is that we should try not to have 2 proposals dealing with the same issue in the PDP. What we should do is work as a community to improve or reject proposals that are submitted.   </div><div><br></div><div>Another proposal from you does not make sense to me especially as your team refused to cooperate with the Co-chairs. As far as I understand, because you withdrew your policy, softlanding-bis is currently the policy under consideration. </div><div><br></div><div>We can react to the feedback at <a href="https://goo.gl/AWCCWd">https://goo.gl/AWCCWd</a> and update the policy. If there are no constraints, we could even do this without the authors, have the Co-chairs act as editors and make this a real community process.  </div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>What we must not do is waste even more of everyone's time and Co-chairs effort in getting us to this point.</div></div><div><br></div><div>Best regards</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br clear="all"><div><div class="gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div>Honest Ornella GANKPA<br></div></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div href="http://WISESTAMP_SIG_gmail_session"></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div>
<br><div class="gmail_quote">2017-03-24 21:46 GMT+01:00 Mark Elkins <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:mje@posix.co.za" target="_blank">mje@posix.co.za</a>></span>:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
  
    
  
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    <p>That's a bit sad.</p>
    <p>I've been involved in a number of proposals, both some successful
      (IPv6 /48, AnyCast) and some not (Inter-regional Transfer - which
      I withdrew). I believe that there is a need to re-address some
      parts of the Soft Landing Proposal and I'm thick-skinned enough to
      give this a try.</p>
    <p> I believe that proposals since the Soft landing proposal was
      first proposed (and that wasn't a quick task) along with what has
      been learned by watching other regions and by some of our own
      proposals will allow our community to better shape the Soft
      Landing Proposal to something that will allow some limited but
      crucial IPv4 resources to last a fare bit longer into the future
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    <div class="m_-8218382468892618060moz-cite-prefix">On 24/03/2017 22:08, Arsène Tungali
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          <div>Though we still have 3 days to go (out of the 7 suggested
            by the Co-chairs to hear from the community on their
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            As a newbie in the PDP process, I have the impression that
            we (community) will not be able to move ahead with this work
            as per the wonderful suggestion by co-chairs. If this
            wonderful idea was supported by the community, there should
            have been someone to take the lead (already).<br>
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            In my opinion, since no one from the community has stepped
            in to work on a merged policy, I would suggest co-chairs to
            just leave this and declare it a dead proposal. There is no
            interest in working on a merged proposal given that original
            authors were not able to come together and produce something
            as we all agreed in Mauritius. This is frustrating and I
            hope we take lessons from this experience for the future.<br>
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        <div class="gmail_quote">2017-03-22 22:09 GMT+02:00 ALAIN AINA <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:aalain@trstech.net" target="_blank">aalain@trstech.net</a>></span>:<br>
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            Dear Community<br>
            <br>
            We thank the co-chairs for the efforts put in managing the
            soft landing update’s process incepted by the 2 policy
            proposals. We also thank the community for the intensive
            discussions and contributions.<br>
            <br>
            We have contributed to the post-Mauritius initiative from
            the co-chairs on this update to the softlanding and remain
            available for any further actions required from us.<br>
            <br>
            We still believe that amending certain aspects of the
            current  soft landing policy adopted in 2011, is  a good
            thing to do, despite the time wasted and  the fact that 
            AFRINIC  v4 pool showing 1.077 /8 available, which means the
            soft landing may be triggered anytime soon.<br>
            <br>
            We hope that the community has learnt a lot from this
            process and consider the main lesson here to be, the
            fundamental principle of policies/standards' development,
            which is that when a proposal is on the table to address an
            issue and has been accepted for discussion, it becomes
            community's document, aiming to be improved by the community
            up to adoption, rejection or withdrawal.<br>
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            Thanks<br>
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            Softlanding-bis Co-authors<br>
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                > On Mar 20, 2017, at 10:24 PM, SamiSalih <<a href="mailto:sami@ntc.gov.sd" target="_blank">sami@ntc.gov.sd</a>>
                wrote:<br>
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                > Dear AfriNIC Community,<br>
                > Greetings from the PDWG Co-chairs,<br>
                ><br>
                > Many of you may have followed the proceedings of
                the two conflicting proposals addressing IPv4
                exhaustion.<br>
                ><br>
                > At the last meeting in Mauritius, authors of both
                IPv4 run-out management proposals agreed to consider
                working together to develop an improved proposal.<br>
                > We regret to inform you that despite several
                efforts, both groups of authors were unable to
                collaborate towards a joint solution.<br>
                ><br>
                > As that process is deadlocked, the co-chairs have
                put together some of the major points in discussions
                raised over multiple meetings and mailing list
                discussions. Because the community has made many valid
                observations on improvements that could be made to the
                status quo, we hereby suggest that these be assessed by
                the community with a view to presenting a proposal that
                better manages the exhaustion of IPv4 resources.<br>
                ><br>
                > Some examples of recommended improvements include
                consideration for new entrants, IPv6 transition
                provisions, and repurposing of reserves for the
                "unforeseen".<br>
                ><br>
                > To avoid entering a loop similar to what we
                recently encountered, there is a need to concentrate our
                efforts on a joint solution. Can we discuss and let the
                co-chairs assist with the draft of a proposal that
                contains only areas that have rough consensus?<br>
                ><br>
                > If there are areas on which consensus cannot be
                reasonably reached, those can be left out of the policy
                update proposal. Although the resulting proposal may be
                treated under the emergency provisions of the PDP due to
                time sensitivity of the subject matter, the ideal
                situation would be for the draft update to be received
                before the next PPM.<br>
                ><br>
                > Although the PDP does not expressly require the
                above, we trust that all community members will be
                reasonable and work together constructively rather than
                seek to frustrate any efforts that do not align with
                their viewpoints.<br>
                ><br>
                > The extracts from discussions till date are at <a href="https://goo.gl/AWCCWd" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://goo.gl/AWCCWd</a>
                and we would like to receive feedback and suggestions
                from the community<br>
                > over the next 7 days.<br>
                ><br>
                > Regards,<br>
                ><br>
                > AfiNIC PDP Co-chairs<br>
                ><br>
                ><br>
                ><br>
                ><br>
                ><br>
                > Dr. Sami Salih  | Assistant Professor<br>
                > Sudan University of Science and Technology<br>
                > Eastern Dum, P.O Box 11111-407<br>
                > email: <a href="mailto:sami.salih@sustech.edu" target="_blank">sami.salih@sustech.edu</a><br>
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