<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto"><div>Thanks Co chair! I am glad Mark is willing to support this process, gathering inputs from the community into a new proposal. Once he confirms this to the list, I will be happy to contribute or to start my journey with this :)<br><br><div>-----------------</div><div>Arsène Tungali,</div><div>@arsenebaguma</div><div>+243 993810967</div><div>GPG: 523644A0</div><div>Goma, Democratic Republic of Congo</div><div><br></div>Sent from my iPhone (excuse typos)</div><div><br>On Mar 26, 2017, at 7:37 PM, Dewole Ajao <<a href="mailto:dewole@forum.org.ng">dewole@forum.org.ng</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div>
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<p>Thanks for contributing, Honest. <br>
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<p>To clarify, the community is being encouraged to pick up areas of
previous discussion that are clearly of benefit and put new
submissions forward. It has already been demonstrated beyond doubt
that there is/was no agreement on existing/withdrawn proposals.<br>
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<p>It appears that we have an offer to draft a provision to ensure
new entrants (latecomers) to IP addressing can have some limited
quantity of IPv4 addresses for a while into the future. Regardless
of the previous proposals, co-chairs' assessment is that previous
community discussions agree on this. Anyone who is available to
make a contribution to such a draft can reach out to Mark Elkins
(Is that okay, Mark?). There is more to benefit from collaborating
on a single draft rather than spewing out multiple proposals. <br>
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<p>Community members who are interested in volunteering toward other
improvements should please feel free to step forward. <br>
Adopting a do-nothing position because of a notion that there
cannot be cooperation is simply not in the best interests of
AFRINIC or the Internet community at large.<br>
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<p>Regards,<br>
Dewole.<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 26/03/2017 12:45, Honest Ornella
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<div>From my point of view, I don’t see anything sad about it.
I see progress and an opportunity to improve our PDP
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<div>The Co-Chairs have done a good job of presenting the main
points of the discussions we had. Why not contribute or
comment on that as requested? </div>
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<div>One lesson I learned from this is that we should try not
to have 2 proposals dealing with the same issue in the PDP.
What we should do is work as a community to improve or
reject proposals that are submitted. </div>
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<div>Another proposal from you does not make sense to me
especially as your team refused to cooperate with the
Co-chairs. As far as I understand, because you withdrew your
policy, softlanding-bis is currently the policy under
consideration. </div>
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<div>We can react to the feedback at <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="https://goo.gl/AWCCWd">https://goo.gl/AWCCWd</a>
and update the policy. If there are no constraints, we could
even do this without the authors, have the Co-chairs act as
editors and make this a real community process. </div>
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<div>What we must not do is waste even more of everyone's time
and Co-chairs effort in getting us to this point.</div>
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<p>That's a bit sad.</p>
<p>I've been involved in a number of proposals, both some
successful (IPv6 /48, AnyCast) and some not
(Inter-regional Transfer - which I withdrew). I believe
that there is a need to re-address some parts of the
Soft Landing Proposal and I'm thick-skinned enough to
give this a try.</p>
<p> I believe that proposals since the Soft landing
proposal was first proposed (and that wasn't a quick
task) along with what has been learned by watching other
regions and by some of our own proposals will allow our
community to better shape the Soft Landing Proposal to
something that will allow some limited but crucial IPv4
resources to last a fare bit longer into the future for
new entrants into this world of Internet Addresses.<br>
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<div>Though we still have 3 days to go (out of
the 7 suggested by the Co-chairs to hear from
the community on their suggestion),<br>
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As a newbie in the PDP process, I have the
impression that we (community) will not be
able to move ahead with this work as per the
wonderful suggestion by co-chairs. If this
wonderful idea was supported by the community,
there should have been someone to take the
lead (already).<br>
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In my opinion, since no one from the community
has stepped in to work on a merged policy, I
would suggest co-chairs to just leave this and
declare it a dead proposal. There is no
interest in working on a merged proposal given
that original authors were not able to come
together and produce something as we all
agreed in Mauritius. This is frustrating and I
hope we take lessons from this experience for
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*<b>Arsène
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GMT+02:00 ALAIN AINA <span dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:aalain@trstech.net" target="_blank">aalain@trstech.net</a>></span>:<br>
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Dear Community<br>
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We thank the co-chairs for the efforts put in
managing the soft landing update’s process
incepted by the 2 policy proposals. We also
thank the community for the intensive
discussions and contributions.<br>
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We have contributed to the post-Mauritius
initiative from the co-chairs on this update
to the softlanding and remain available for
any further actions required from us.<br>
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We still believe that amending certain aspects
of the current soft landing policy adopted in
2011, is a good thing to do, despite the time
wasted and the fact that AFRINIC v4 pool
showing 1.077 /8 available, which means the
soft landing may be triggered anytime soon.<br>
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We hope that the community has learnt a lot
from this process and consider the main lesson
here to be, the fundamental principle of
policies/standards' development, which is that
when a proposal is on the table to address an
issue and has been accepted for discussion, it
becomes community's document, aiming to be
improved by the community up to adoption,
rejection or withdrawal.<br>
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Thanks<br>
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Softlanding-bis Co-authors<br>
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> On Mar 20, 2017, at 10:24 PM,
SamiSalih <<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:sami@ntc.gov.sd" target="_blank">sami@ntc.gov.sd</a>>
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> Dear AfriNIC Community,<br>
> Greetings from the PDWG Co-chairs,<br>
><br>
> Many of you may have followed the
proceedings of the two conflicting
proposals addressing IPv4 exhaustion.<br>
><br>
> At the last meeting in Mauritius,
authors of both IPv4 run-out management
proposals agreed to consider working
together to develop an improved proposal.<br>
> We regret to inform you that despite
several efforts, both groups of authors
were unable to collaborate towards a joint
solution.<br>
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> As that process is deadlocked, the
co-chairs have put together some of the
major points in discussions raised over
multiple meetings and mailing list
discussions. Because the community has
made many valid observations on
improvements that could be made to the
status quo, we hereby suggest that these
be assessed by the community with a view
to presenting a proposal that better
manages the exhaustion of IPv4 resources.<br>
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> Some examples of recommended
improvements include consideration for new
entrants, IPv6 transition provisions, and
repurposing of reserves for the
"unforeseen".<br>
><br>
> To avoid entering a loop similar to
what we recently encountered, there is a
need to concentrate our efforts on a joint
solution. Can we discuss and let the
co-chairs assist with the draft of a
proposal that contains only areas that
have rough consensus?<br>
><br>
> If there are areas on which consensus
cannot be reasonably reached, those can be
left out of the policy update proposal.
Although the resulting proposal may be
treated under the emergency provisions of
the PDP due to time sensitivity of the
subject matter, the ideal situation would
be for the draft update to be received
before the next PPM.<br>
><br>
> Although the PDP does not expressly
require the above, we trust that all
community members will be reasonable and
work together constructively rather than
seek to frustrate any efforts that do not
align with their viewpoints.<br>
><br>
> The extracts from discussions till
date are at <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="https://goo.gl/AWCCWd" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://goo.gl/AWCCWd</a>
and we would like to receive feedback and
suggestions from the community<br>
> over the next 7 days.<br>
><br>
> Regards,<br>
><br>
> AfiNIC PDP Co-chairs<br>
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> Dr. Sami Salih | Assistant Professor<br>
> Sudan University of Science and
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> Eastern Dum, P.O Box 11111-407<br>
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