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    <p>Thanks for contributing, Honest. <br>
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    <p>To clarify, the community is being encouraged to pick up areas of
      previous discussion that are clearly of benefit and put new
      submissions forward. It has already been demonstrated beyond doubt
      that there is/was no agreement on existing/withdrawn proposals.<br>
    </p>
    <p>It appears that we have an offer to draft a provision to ensure
      new entrants (latecomers) to IP addressing can have some limited
      quantity of IPv4 addresses for a while into the future. Regardless
      of the previous proposals, co-chairs' assessment is that previous
      community discussions agree on this. Anyone who is available to
      make a contribution to such a draft can reach out to Mark Elkins
      (Is that okay, Mark?). There is more to benefit from collaborating
      on a single draft rather than spewing out multiple proposals. <br>
    </p>
    <p>Community members who are interested in volunteering toward other
      improvements should please feel free to step forward. <br>
      Adopting a do-nothing position because of a notion that there
      cannot be cooperation is simply not in the best interests of
      AFRINIC or the Internet community at large.<br>
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    <p>Regards,<br>
      Dewole.<br>
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    <br>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 26/03/2017 12:45, Honest Ornella
      GANKPA wrote:<br>
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          <div>From my point of view, I don’t see anything sad about it.
            I see progress and an opportunity to improve our PDP
            process.   </div>
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          <div>The Co-Chairs have done a good job of presenting the main
            points of the discussions we had. Why not contribute or
            comment on that as requested? </div>
          <div><br>
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          <div>One lesson I learned from this is that we should try not
            to have 2 proposals dealing with the same issue in the PDP.
            What we should do is work as a community to improve or
            reject proposals that are submitted.   </div>
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          <div>Another proposal from you does not make sense to me
            especially as your team refused to cooperate with the
            Co-chairs. As far as I understand, because you withdrew your
            policy, softlanding-bis is currently the policy under
            consideration. </div>
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          <div>We can react to the feedback at <a
              moz-do-not-send="true" href="https://goo.gl/AWCCWd">https://goo.gl/AWCCWd</a>
            and update the policy. If there are no constraints, we could
            even do this without the authors, have the Co-chairs act as
            editors and make this a real community process.  </div>
          <div><br>
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          <div>What we must not do is waste even more of everyone's time
            and Co-chairs effort in getting us to this point.</div>
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        <div>Best regards</div>
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                            <div>Honest Ornella GANKPA<br>
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        <div class="gmail_quote">2017-03-24 21:46 GMT+01:00 Mark Elkins
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              <p>That's a bit sad.</p>
              <p>I've been involved in a number of proposals, both some
                successful (IPv6 /48, AnyCast) and some not
                (Inter-regional Transfer - which I withdrew). I believe
                that there is a need to re-address some parts of the
                Soft Landing Proposal and I'm thick-skinned enough to
                give this a try.</p>
              <p> I believe that proposals since the Soft landing
                proposal was first proposed (and that wasn't a quick
                task) along with what has been learned by watching other
                regions and by some of our own proposals will allow our
                community to better shape the Soft Landing Proposal to
                something that will allow some limited but crucial IPv4
                resources to last a fare bit longer into the future for
                new entrants into this world of Internet Addresses.<br>
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                  <div class="m_-8218382468892618060moz-cite-prefix">On
                    24/03/2017 22:08, Arsène Tungali wrote:<br>
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                        <div>Though we still have 3 days to go (out of
                          the 7 suggested by the Co-chairs to hear from
                          the community on their suggestion),<br>
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                          As a newbie in the PDP process, I have the
                          impression that we (community) will not be
                          able to move ahead with this work as per the
                          wonderful suggestion by co-chairs. If this
                          wonderful idea was supported by the community,
                          there should have been someone to take the
                          lead (already).<br>
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                          In my opinion, since no one from the community
                          has stepped in to work on a merged policy, I
                          would suggest co-chairs to just leave this and
                          declare it a dead proposal. There is no
                          interest in working on a merged proposal given
                          that original authors were not able to come
                          together and produce something as we all
                          agreed in Mauritius. This is frustrating and I
                          hope we take lessons from this experience for
                          the future.<br>
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                      <div class="gmail_quote">2017-03-22 22:09
                        GMT+02:00 ALAIN AINA <span dir="ltr"><<a
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                          Dear Community<br>
                          <br>
                          We thank the co-chairs for the efforts put in
                          managing the soft landing update’s process
                          incepted by the 2 policy proposals. We also
                          thank the community for the intensive
                          discussions and contributions.<br>
                          <br>
                          We have contributed to the post-Mauritius
                          initiative from the co-chairs on this update
                          to the softlanding and remain available for
                          any further actions required from us.<br>
                          <br>
                          We still believe that amending certain aspects
                          of the current  soft landing policy adopted in
                          2011, is  a good thing to do, despite the time
                          wasted and  the fact that  AFRINIC  v4 pool
                          showing 1.077 /8 available, which means the
                          soft landing may be triggered anytime soon.<br>
                          <br>
                          We hope that the community has learnt a lot
                          from this process and consider the main lesson
                          here to be, the fundamental principle of
                          policies/standards' development, which is that
                          when a proposal is on the table to address an
                          issue and has been accepted for discussion, it
                          becomes community's document, aiming to be
                          improved by the community up to adoption,
                          rejection or withdrawal.<br>
                          <br>
                          Thanks<br>
                          <br>
                          Softlanding-bis Co-authors<br>
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                              > On Mar 20, 2017, at 10:24 PM,
                              SamiSalih <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                                href="mailto:sami@ntc.gov.sd"
                                target="_blank">sami@ntc.gov.sd</a>>
                              wrote:<br>
                              ><br>
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                              > Dear AfriNIC Community,<br>
                              > Greetings from the PDWG Co-chairs,<br>
                              ><br>
                              > Many of you may have followed the
                              proceedings of the two conflicting
                              proposals addressing IPv4 exhaustion.<br>
                              ><br>
                              > At the last meeting in Mauritius,
                              authors of both IPv4 run-out management
                              proposals agreed to consider working
                              together to develop an improved proposal.<br>
                              > We regret to inform you that despite
                              several efforts, both groups of authors
                              were unable to collaborate towards a joint
                              solution.<br>
                              ><br>
                              > As that process is deadlocked, the
                              co-chairs have put together some of the
                              major points in discussions raised over
                              multiple meetings and mailing list
                              discussions. Because the community has
                              made many valid observations on
                              improvements that could be made to the
                              status quo, we hereby suggest that these
                              be assessed by the community with a view
                              to presenting a proposal that better
                              manages the exhaustion of IPv4 resources.<br>
                              ><br>
                              > Some examples of recommended
                              improvements include consideration for new
                              entrants, IPv6 transition provisions, and
                              repurposing of reserves for the
                              "unforeseen".<br>
                              ><br>
                              > To avoid entering a loop similar to
                              what we recently encountered, there is a
                              need to concentrate our efforts on a joint
                              solution. Can we discuss and let the
                              co-chairs assist with the draft of a
                              proposal that contains only areas that
                              have rough consensus?<br>
                              ><br>
                              > If there are areas on which consensus
                              cannot be reasonably reached, those can be
                              left out of the policy update proposal.
                              Although the resulting proposal may be
                              treated under the emergency provisions of
                              the PDP due to time sensitivity of the
                              subject matter, the ideal situation would
                              be for the draft update to be received
                              before the next PPM.<br>
                              ><br>
                              > Although the PDP does not expressly
                              require the above, we trust that all
                              community members will be reasonable and
                              work together constructively rather than
                              seek to frustrate any efforts that do not
                              align with their viewpoints.<br>
                              ><br>
                              > The extracts from discussions till
                              date are at <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                                href="https://goo.gl/AWCCWd"
                                rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://goo.gl/AWCCWd</a>
                              and we would like to receive feedback and
                              suggestions from the community<br>
                              > over the next 7 days.<br>
                              ><br>
                              > Regards,<br>
                              ><br>
                              > AfiNIC PDP Co-chairs<br>
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                              > Dr. Sami Salih  | Assistant Professor<br>
                              > Sudan University of Science and
                              Technology<br>
                              > Eastern Dum, P.O Box 11111-407<br>
                              > email: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                                href="mailto:sami.salih@sustech.edu"
                                target="_blank">sami.salih@sustech.edu</a><br>
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                                href="https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/rpd"
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