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<p>Good day All,</p>
<p>I would like to clarify that the points put together by the
co-chairs are as captured from the 2 previous proposals as well as
the resulting community discussions. Volunteers are encouraged to
pick any points that they deem beneficial and draft new proposals
(if they feel inclined to do so). To correct Andrew's words:
"their own policy", I should point out that any resulting policy
proposals are not owned by the co-chairs. <br>
</p>
<p>What we are recommending is that the community should refrain
from throwing conflicting proposals at one other (without
extensively discussing and considering the views of others).
Archives of all RPD discussions are in the public domain and
unless one wants to be deliberately mischievous (or is desirous of
stalemate conditions), co-chairs providing guidance to prevent
deadlock should not be likened to "creating consensus".
Personally, I am appalled by the suggestion.<br>
</p>
<p>We encourage volunteers that are interested enough to pick up on
any areas of interest and draft proposals towards same in a
consultative manner. Policy development should not be
all-or-nothing or the exclusive preserve of a subset of the
community; I believe we can improve things in bite-sized pieces
and we should encourage more people to participate. </p>
<p>Regards,</p>
<p>Dewole.<br>
</p>
<br>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 21/03/2017 05:17, Andrew Alston
wrote:<br>
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cite="mid:AMSPR03MB534D2B6163FDBAA1AD7BAB0EE3D0@AMSPR03MB534.eurprd03.prod.outlook.com"
type="cite">Hi All,<br>
<br>
The co-authors of the original policy stand by what we have
originally said. In the meeting in Mauritius a clear indication
was given by authors of both policies that both policies would be
withdrawn and a mutual policy would then be worked on.
Unfortunately following the meeting one side renegaded on this and
chose to refuse to withdraw. We felt that, in our opinion, this
was done in bad faith, and felt that it would be impossible to
work closely on a policy with individuals who refused to show good
faith and act on their indicated commitments to the community.
This is what caused the deadlock originally and this is the
current status quo.<br>
<br>
With regards to the co-chairs working on a policy that combines
elements of rough consensus - while in theory this sounds like a
good idea - at the same time I have to raise a big red flag and
say that I cannot support this. It is the job of the co-chairs of
the PDP to gauge consensus. It is not the job of the co-chair's to
CREATE consensus. Indeed there is a fundamental conflict of
interest when the individuals who are required to gauge consensus
will effectively be gauging consensus on their own policy, since
the moment the elements are combined based on what the belief of
rough consensus is into another policy, while the elements may
have been drafted by others in other policies, it is still in
effect a new policy, and it is untenable to have those that much
gauge consensus doing so against their own policies.<br>
<br>
If this community truly DOES wish a change to the soft landing
policy then it is incumbent on those that wish that change to go
ahead and draft a policy that is mutually acceptable. It was
clearly demonstrated in Mauritius that neither of the current
proposals was acceptable, as neither reached consensus. At this
point the process is clear, either the authors of one of the
current policies (though one has been formally withdrawn), modify
their own policies to reach a point of consensus, or a new policy
is drafted *by the community* that CAN reach that consensus point,
or nothing is done and the status-quo remains.<br>
<br>
What CANNOT happen though is that the co-chairs of the PDP go into
policy drafting mode - because that creates a situation is
untenable conflict of interest in gauging of consensus on the new
draft.<br>
<br>
If the community wishes a change to policy - let the community
draft such - and let it go through the normal process. If the
community is incapable of drafting to find common consensus, it
stands to reason that there simply IS not consensus that change is
required and therefore under the rules as clearly defined the
status quo shall remain.<br>
<br>
Andrew<br>
<br>
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From: Barrack Otieno [<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:otieno.barrack@gmail.com">mailto:otieno.barrack@gmail.com</a>] <br>
Sent: 21 March 2017 06:57<br>
To: Lu Heng <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:h.lu@anytimechinese.com"><h.lu@anytimechinese.com></a><br>
Cc: rpd List <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net"><rpd@afrinic.net></a><br>
Subject: Re: [rpd] Report of the Soft Landing isuue<br>
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Dear Alan and Co-Chairs,<br>
<br>
Many thanks for the summary of the progress made. It is
unfortunate that we have reached a deadlock, i still hope that the
authors can reconsider their stands and agree to work together in
the Interest of the African Internet Community. In the absence of
that it is my humble suggestion that we proceed as suggested by
the co-chairs focusing on incorporating proposals that have
already been agreed on as well as the ones on which we have rough
consensus.<br>
<br>
Best Regards<br>
<br>
On Tue, Mar 21, 2017 at 2:33 AM, Lu Heng
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:h.lu@anytimechinese.com"><h.lu@anytimechinese.com></a> wrote:<br>
> Hi<br>
><br>
> We have no opinions in this debate.<br>
><br>
> However, as member of AFRINIC, we would appreciate an
workable policy, <br>
> easy for both technical people as well as management to
understand, to <br>
> implement, at minimum cost both for AFRINIC as well as for
member.<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> On Tue, Mar 21, 2017 at 03:25 Dewole Ajao
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:dewole@forum.org.ng"><dewole@forum.org.ng></a> wrote:<br>
>><br>
>> Thanks, Alan. The "version control" snapshot will serve
as a <br>
>> reminder to co-chairs not to fiddle with the document
while it is under consideration.<br>
>> :)<br>
>><br>
>> Dewole.<br>
>><br>
>> Sent from a mobile device. Please excuse typos and
autocorrect <br>
>> strangeness.<br>
>><br>
>> > On 20 Mar 2017, at 7:55 PM, Alan Barrett
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:alan.barrett@afrinic.net"><alan.barrett@afrinic.net></a><br>
>> > wrote:<br>
>> ><br>
>> ><br>
>> >> On 20 Mar 2017, at 22:24, SamiSalih
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:sami@ntc.gov.sd"><sami@ntc.gov.sd></a> wrote:<br>
>> >> The extracts from discussions till date are at <br>
>> >> <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://goo.gl/AWCCWd" target="_blank">https://goo.gl/AWCCWd</a>
and we would like to receive feedback and<br>
>> >> suggestions from the community over the next 7
days.<br>
>> ><br>
>> > For the record, here’s a snapshot in PDF format of
the document as <br>
>> > it exists today.<br>
>> ><br>
>> > Alan Barrett<br>
>> ><br>
>> > <Soft-landing Making Progress.pdf><br>
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