<div dir="ltr"><div style="white-space:pre-wrap">Hi<br><br>I'd like to contribute my own 2 cents.<br><br>Let's assume, this policy really putting into action and found a policy breach, stay with me with the example(so let's say the policy in fact works on its purpose of finding policy breach):<br><br>National telecom A from country B has a lot of its practice that not following the policy,Afrinic therefore by RSA trying to reclaim the address from the national telecom A from the requested audit.<br><br>Because of the reclamation, a lot of people lost their connection in country B.<br><br>National telecom taking Afrinic to court and country B government talking to UN and ITU to dismiss Afrinic.<br><br>Does Afrinic, being an 30 people organization with only 4 million dollar in budget, even stay a chance to fight them at all?<br><br>So this reclamation will risk the very existence of Afrinic, for a maybe a /15 misused address, seriously is it worth it for the community as a whole?<br><br>Maybe some would claim that not every company has 4 million in budget, not every member that Afrinic are not able to fight in court, the simple truth is, the one are smaller than Afrinic in size and budget, their space will be small enough that will not make difference for the community(audit an /22 and get it back will really worth nothing to the community, and you can hardly call /22 stock piling as well).<br><br>And any company go though RIR process and justified their need in which is greater than, let's say, /16, will surely have multiple times size of Afrinic with much stronger financial power, Afrinic can not afford fighting them in court under today's condition. Let's face it, Afrinic has no real enforcement power like some might think it does, Afrinic is an registration service, it already does everything it can during the process issuing the IP address to make sure fair distribution according to the policy, and keep the whois database accurate, that is all what community ask them to do, and that is all what Afrinic capable of doing. <br><br>There is no single RIR, RIPE NCC being 5 times bigger budget than Afrinic included, are able to reclaim address from member who do not need them anymore, and that is the exact reason why we have a transfer policy in most of the region now. People transferring are clearly not needing address anymore, why none of RIR today reclaim them from the holder? There might be quite few argument to that, but the one I understand is, none of them able to, most large block holder, if not all, are multiple size of the RIR both in number of staff and financial power, sometime even in political influence, and it is really not worth to risk all the member fees to fight an single member(or multiple members, consider the amount of transfer happening every month). <b>Market works better than central planning</b>, communist country learned this in hard way.</div><div style="white-space:pre-wrap"><br></div><div style="white-space:pre-wrap"><b>What is the normal practice in every region until now, is that, assignment can be cancelled by RIR, however, allocation are untouchable once it is issued, no RIR has ever in history claimed back an allocation from member due to insufficient usage. </b>Not to mention Afrinic being the smallest, least funded RIR among them all.<br><br>Let's distribute the rest v4 at fair pace, and stop asking Afrinic acting as communist country's central government, <b>all Afrinic has is an database, with 30 people maintain it under 4 million USD budget,</b> the only reason all those government and large telecom leave Afrinic alone, is because Afrinic does not claim any power but only maintain the database, once Afrinic claim its power to manage whole continent's infrastructure(like one of the hostmaster mistakenly claimed in one of Afrinic meeting), it will simply be the day Afrinic ends as we know it. <b>For that power, we will need a much bigger Afrinic with each country's gov setting on the board to decided things(and enforce it with real power), just like you see in most international governing organizations.</b><br><br>So please keep Afrinic doing registration service alone, like Rob, the first RIPE chair and much respected globe community member once said, <b>RIR are bookkeepers, nothing more.</b> The wise man help establish the RIR system as we know it today, and I believe its bookkeeper analogy are what protect the RIR's very existence for past 3 decates.</div><div style="white-space:pre-wrap"><br></div><div style="white-space:pre-wrap">Otherwise, you will need not just a policy to make the intend of this policy work, <b>you will need high level enforcement power from the each countries' government, and you will need a much bigger Afrinic, or rather, "Africa internet government".</b><br></div><div style="white-space:pre-wrap"><br></div><div style="white-space:pre-wrap"><br></div><div style="white-space:pre-wrap"><br></div><div style="white-space:pre-wrap"><br></div><div style="white-space:pre-wrap"><br></div><div class="gmail_extra gmail-m_-1507158759030234753gmail_msg"><br class="gmail-m_-1507158759030234753gmail_msg"><div class="gmail_quote gmail-m_-1507158759030234753gmail_msg">On 22 November 2016 at 17:46, Andrew Alston <span dir="ltr" class="gmail-m_-1507158759030234753gmail_msg"><<a href="mailto:Andrew.Alston@liquidtelecom.com" class="gmail-m_-1507158759030234753gmail_msg" target="_blank">Andrew.Alston@liquidtelecom.<wbr>com</a>></span> wrote:<br class="gmail-m_-1507158759030234753gmail_msg"><blockquote class="gmail_quote gmail-m_-1507158759030234753gmail_msg" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
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<p class="MsoNormal gmail-m_-1507158759030234753gmail_msg"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:calibri,sans-serif;color:windowtext" class="gmail-m_-1507158759030234753gmail_msg">Saul,<u class="gmail-m_-1507158759030234753gmail_msg"></u><u class="gmail-m_-1507158759030234753gmail_msg"></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal gmail-m_-1507158759030234753gmail_msg"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:calibri,sans-serif;color:windowtext" class="gmail-m_-1507158759030234753gmail_msg">As I have stated – due to all evidence presented to me – and while I cannot go beyond the evidence presented to me and this is merely
an opinion, because I am not a mind reader, my opinion is that there are motivations behind this policy which are not being clearly stated. I personally believe that this policy is designed to give a platform to after specific individuals who there is a mistaken
belief are misusing resources because people don’t like the fact that they got them in the first place in full compliance with the policies.<u class="gmail-m_-1507158759030234753gmail_msg"></u><u class="gmail-m_-1507158759030234753gmail_msg"></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal gmail-m_-1507158759030234753gmail_msg"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:calibri,sans-serif;color:windowtext" class="gmail-m_-1507158759030234753gmail_msg">I personally believe that there is a reason why the authors of this policy have refused to put the safe guards in place that have
been requested, including the mandatory disclosure of the complainant to the person who is being complained about, and the reasons strike me as deeply nefarious.<u class="gmail-m_-1507158759030234753gmail_msg"></u><u class="gmail-m_-1507158759030234753gmail_msg"></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal gmail-m_-1507158759030234753gmail_msg"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:calibri,sans-serif;color:windowtext" class="gmail-m_-1507158759030234753gmail_msg">As I said – that is a personal opinion, I leave everyone else to review everything I have said in previous emails and come to their
own conclusions as to the real motivations behind this. My objections to this policy stand based on its ease at which it can be used by operators to harass other operators with absolutely no recourse to the one being harassed. My objections to this policy
also stand based on the fact that there is absolutely zero evidence provided that the abuse that the authors claim this policy is attempting to deal with exist at all, and based on that the policy is attempting to deal with a situation that is entirely hypothetical
while having serious ramifications. My objections to this policy stand, based on the fact that as of yet, no one is prepared to state how these audits are meant to occur, or on what basis a complainant can trigger an audit and what evidence they have to provide
to substantiate their complaint, other than lack of visibility in the routing table. And if we use visibility in the routing table – the total amount of space is so negligible in the context of allocations the policy has absolutely zero purpose other than
to hurt AfriNIC revenues.<u class="gmail-m_-1507158759030234753gmail_msg"></u><u class="gmail-m_-1507158759030234753gmail_msg"></u></span></p>
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<b class="gmail-m_-1507158759030234753gmail_msg">To:</b> Badru Ntege <<a href="mailto:badru.ntege@nftconsult.com" class="gmail-m_-1507158759030234753gmail_msg" target="_blank">badru.ntege@nftconsult.com</a>>; Andrew Alston <<a href="mailto:Andrew.Alston@liquidtelecom.com" class="gmail-m_-1507158759030234753gmail_msg" target="_blank">Andrew.Alston@liquidtelecom.<wbr>com</a>>; Dewole Ajao <<a href="mailto:dewole@forum.org.ng" class="gmail-m_-1507158759030234753gmail_msg" target="_blank">dewole@forum.org.ng</a>>; sergekbk <<a href="mailto:sergekbk@gmail.com" class="gmail-m_-1507158759030234753gmail_msg" target="_blank">sergekbk@gmail.com</a>>; Arnaud AMELINA <<a href="mailto:amelnaud@gmail.com" class="gmail-m_-1507158759030234753gmail_msg" target="_blank">amelnaud@gmail.com</a>>; rpd >> AfriNIC Resource Policy <<a href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net" class="gmail-m_-1507158759030234753gmail_msg" target="_blank">rpd@afrinic.net</a>><br class="gmail-m_-1507158759030234753gmail_msg">
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<p class="MsoNormal gmail-m_-1507158759030234753gmail_msg"><span lang="EN-ZA" style="font-size:11pt;font-family:calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)" class="gmail-m_-1507158759030234753gmail_msg">Have I perhaps missed the point here, but what is the purpose of this policy?<u class="gmail-m_-1507158759030234753gmail_msg"></u><u class="gmail-m_-1507158759030234753gmail_msg"></u></span></p>
<p class="gmail-m_-1507158759030234753m_-1861610895987758226m_2527355299832930097m_-2107278076774252532MsoListParagraph gmail-m_-1507158759030234753gmail_msg"><u class="gmail-m_-1507158759030234753gmail_msg"></u><span lang="EN-ZA" style="font-size:11pt;font-family:calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)" class="gmail-m_-1507158759030234753gmail_msg"><span class="gmail-m_-1507158759030234753gmail_msg">1)<span style="font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;font-stretch:normal;font-size:7pt;line-height:normal;font-family:"times new roman"" class="gmail-m_-1507158759030234753gmail_msg">
</span></span></span><u class="gmail-m_-1507158759030234753gmail_msg"></u><span lang="EN-ZA" style="font-size:11pt;font-family:calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)" class="gmail-m_-1507158759030234753gmail_msg">Is the purpose that there is no current way to reclaim resources fraudulently applied for?<u class="gmail-m_-1507158759030234753gmail_msg"></u><u class="gmail-m_-1507158759030234753gmail_msg"></u></span></p>
<p class="gmail-m_-1507158759030234753m_-1861610895987758226m_2527355299832930097m_-2107278076774252532MsoListParagraph gmail-m_-1507158759030234753gmail_msg"><u class="gmail-m_-1507158759030234753gmail_msg"></u><span lang="EN-ZA" style="font-size:11pt;font-family:calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)" class="gmail-m_-1507158759030234753gmail_msg"><span class="gmail-m_-1507158759030234753gmail_msg">2)<span style="font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;font-stretch:normal;font-size:7pt;line-height:normal;font-family:"times new roman"" class="gmail-m_-1507158759030234753gmail_msg">
</span></span></span><u class="gmail-m_-1507158759030234753gmail_msg"></u><span lang="EN-ZA" style="font-size:11pt;font-family:calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)" class="gmail-m_-1507158759030234753gmail_msg">Preserve v4 space (but this policy would have to be for v6 too – I’d hate to have to audit all that space)<u class="gmail-m_-1507158759030234753gmail_msg"></u><u class="gmail-m_-1507158759030234753gmail_msg"></u></span></p>
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</span></span></span><u class="gmail-m_-1507158759030234753gmail_msg"></u><span lang="EN-ZA" style="font-size:11pt;font-family:calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)" class="gmail-m_-1507158759030234753gmail_msg">To remove space that people are no longer using?<u class="gmail-m_-1507158759030234753gmail_msg"></u><u class="gmail-m_-1507158759030234753gmail_msg"></u></span></p>
<p class="gmail-m_-1507158759030234753m_-1861610895987758226m_2527355299832930097m_-2107278076774252532MsoListParagraph gmail-m_-1507158759030234753gmail_msg"><u class="gmail-m_-1507158759030234753gmail_msg"></u><span lang="EN-ZA" style="font-size:11pt;font-family:calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)" class="gmail-m_-1507158759030234753gmail_msg"><span class="gmail-m_-1507158759030234753gmail_msg">4)<span style="font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;font-stretch:normal;font-size:7pt;line-height:normal;font-family:"times new roman"" class="gmail-m_-1507158759030234753gmail_msg">
</span></span></span><u class="gmail-m_-1507158759030234753gmail_msg"></u><span lang="EN-ZA" style="font-size:11pt;font-family:calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)" class="gmail-m_-1507158759030234753gmail_msg">Preserve v4 space?<u class="gmail-m_-1507158759030234753gmail_msg"></u><u class="gmail-m_-1507158759030234753gmail_msg"></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal gmail-m_-1507158759030234753gmail_msg"><span lang="EN-ZA" style="font-size:11pt;font-family:calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)" class="gmail-m_-1507158759030234753gmail_msg"><u class="gmail-m_-1507158759030234753gmail_msg"></u> <u class="gmail-m_-1507158759030234753gmail_msg"></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal gmail-m_-1507158759030234753gmail_msg"><span lang="EN-ZA" style="font-size:11pt;font-family:calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)" class="gmail-m_-1507158759030234753gmail_msg">It is one thing saying that there is a need to audit, but for what purpose? And by purpose I am including the ultimate
goal and objectives, since there is no point in saying lets audit and then there is no ramifications expect to AFRINIC earning less revenue from the resources it charges for.<u class="gmail-m_-1507158759030234753gmail_msg"></u><u class="gmail-m_-1507158759030234753gmail_msg"></u></span></p>
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<b class="gmail-m_-1507158759030234753gmail_msg">Sent:</b> 17 November 2016 07:09 AM<br class="gmail-m_-1507158759030234753gmail_msg">
<b class="gmail-m_-1507158759030234753gmail_msg">To:</b> Andrew Alston <<a href="mailto:Andrew.Alston@liquidtelecom.com" class="gmail-m_-1507158759030234753gmail_msg" target="_blank">Andrew.Alston@liquidtelecom.<wbr>com</a>>; Dewole Ajao <<a href="mailto:dewole@forum.org.ng" class="gmail-m_-1507158759030234753gmail_msg" target="_blank">dewole@forum.org.ng</a>>; sergekbk <<a href="mailto:sergekbk@gmail.com" class="gmail-m_-1507158759030234753gmail_msg" target="_blank">sergekbk@gmail.com</a>>;
Arnaud AMELINA <<a href="mailto:amelnaud@gmail.com" class="gmail-m_-1507158759030234753gmail_msg" target="_blank">amelnaud@gmail.com</a>>; rpd >> AfriNIC Resource Policy <<a href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net" class="gmail-m_-1507158759030234753gmail_msg" target="_blank">rpd@afrinic.net</a>><br class="gmail-m_-1507158759030234753gmail_msg">
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<p class="MsoNormal gmail-m_-1507158759030234753gmail_msg"><span lang="EN-ZA" style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:calibri,sans-serif" class="gmail-m_-1507158759030234753gmail_msg">On 11/16/16, 1:43 PM, "Andrew Alston" <<a href="mailto:Andrew.Alston@liquidtelecom.com" class="gmail-m_-1507158759030234753gmail_msg" target="_blank">Andrew.Alston@liquidtelecom.<wbr>com</a>> wrote:<u class="gmail-m_-1507158759030234753gmail_msg"></u><u class="gmail-m_-1507158759030234753gmail_msg"></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal gmail-m_-1507158759030234753gmail_msg"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:calibri,sans-serif;color:windowtext" class="gmail-m_-1507158759030234753gmail_msg">So,</span><u class="gmail-m_-1507158759030234753gmail_msg"></u><u class="gmail-m_-1507158759030234753gmail_msg"></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal gmail-m_-1507158759030234753gmail_msg"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:calibri,sans-serif;color:windowtext" class="gmail-m_-1507158759030234753gmail_msg"> </span><u class="gmail-m_-1507158759030234753gmail_msg"></u><u class="gmail-m_-1507158759030234753gmail_msg"></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal gmail-m_-1507158759030234753gmail_msg"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:calibri,sans-serif;color:windowtext" class="gmail-m_-1507158759030234753gmail_msg">I have a hypothetical question – and it will become a lot less hypothetical once I’ve run the numbers which I’m currently doing.</span><u class="gmail-m_-1507158759030234753gmail_msg"></u><u class="gmail-m_-1507158759030234753gmail_msg"></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal gmail-m_-1507158759030234753gmail_msg"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:calibri,sans-serif;color:windowtext" class="gmail-m_-1507158759030234753gmail_msg"> </span><u class="gmail-m_-1507158759030234753gmail_msg"></u><u class="gmail-m_-1507158759030234753gmail_msg"></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal gmail-m_-1507158759030234753gmail_msg"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:calibri,sans-serif;color:windowtext" class="gmail-m_-1507158759030234753gmail_msg">Let’s say we implement this audit policy – and then – because we have to act consistently – we act against every member who is not announcing space because
they cannot justify not announcing it – and we terminate their membership.</span><u class="gmail-m_-1507158759030234753gmail_msg"></u><u class="gmail-m_-1507158759030234753gmail_msg"></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal gmail-m_-1507158759030234753gmail_msg"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:calibri,sans-serif;color:windowtext" class="gmail-m_-1507158759030234753gmail_msg"> </span><u class="gmail-m_-1507158759030234753gmail_msg"></u><u class="gmail-m_-1507158759030234753gmail_msg"></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal gmail-m_-1507158759030234753gmail_msg"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:calibri,sans-serif;color:windowtext" class="gmail-m_-1507158759030234753gmail_msg">Are the authors of this policy and those supporting it prepared to bear the cost of the fee increases that would be necessary to back fill the loss in revenue
that would effectively bankrupt AfriNIC? Running through the preliminary statistics – firstly the auditing process would be immensely expensive in HR cost – secondly – termination of members that aren’t “legitimately” announcing space by rough calculations
could cost AfriNIC in excess of 15% of its revenue by the latest numbers available in the financial reports and correlating the unannounced space that is allocated with the billing file.</span><u class="gmail-m_-1507158759030234753gmail_msg"></u><u class="gmail-m_-1507158759030234753gmail_msg"></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal gmail-m_-1507158759030234753gmail_msg"><span lang="EN-ZA" style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:calibri,sans-serif" class="gmail-m_-1507158759030234753gmail_msg">I hardly believe that a drop in 15% of revenue would bankrupt AfriNIC ??. If that’s the case then our problems are bigger than an Audit. Which I definitely
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<p class="MsoNormal gmail-m_-1507158759030234753gmail_msg"><span lang="EN-ZA" style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:calibri,sans-serif" class="gmail-m_-1507158759030234753gmail_msg">Lets not add scary variables to support opposition to a policy. <u class="gmail-m_-1507158759030234753gmail_msg"></u><u class="gmail-m_-1507158759030234753gmail_msg"></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal gmail-m_-1507158759030234753gmail_msg"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:calibri,sans-serif;color:windowtext" class="gmail-m_-1507158759030234753gmail_msg"> </span><u class="gmail-m_-1507158759030234753gmail_msg"></u><u class="gmail-m_-1507158759030234753gmail_msg"></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal gmail-m_-1507158759030234753gmail_msg"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:calibri,sans-serif;color:windowtext" class="gmail-m_-1507158759030234753gmail_msg">Now, some would argue that is all the more reason to implement the audit policy – but here is a wake up call – the space you would recover in that call on
those calculations – amounts to less than 10% of space that AfriNIC has allocated legitimately since May – so effectively, for the gain of looking tough and being rigid, we may end up bankrupting the organisation while recovering potentially a /15 worth of
space. Alternatively, from any logical business perspective – that money would have to be recovered from the members who are legitimately announcing space – because it certainly can’t just disappear.</span><u class="gmail-m_-1507158759030234753gmail_msg"></u><u class="gmail-m_-1507158759030234753gmail_msg"></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal gmail-m_-1507158759030234753gmail_msg"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:calibri,sans-serif;color:windowtext" class="gmail-m_-1507158759030234753gmail_msg"> </span><u class="gmail-m_-1507158759030234753gmail_msg"></u><u class="gmail-m_-1507158759030234753gmail_msg"></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal gmail-m_-1507158759030234753gmail_msg"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:calibri,sans-serif;color:windowtext" class="gmail-m_-1507158759030234753gmail_msg">So, has anyone ACTUALLY thought through the implications of this policy? I remain firmly opposed.</span><u class="gmail-m_-1507158759030234753gmail_msg"></u><u class="gmail-m_-1507158759030234753gmail_msg"></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal gmail-m_-1507158759030234753gmail_msg"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:calibri,sans-serif;color:windowtext" class="gmail-m_-1507158759030234753gmail_msg">Andrew</span><u class="gmail-m_-1507158759030234753gmail_msg"></u><u class="gmail-m_-1507158759030234753gmail_msg"></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal gmail-m_-1507158759030234753gmail_msg"><b class="gmail-m_-1507158759030234753gmail_msg"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11pt;font-family:calibri,sans-serif;color:windowtext" class="gmail-m_-1507158759030234753gmail_msg">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11pt;font-family:calibri,sans-serif;color:windowtext" class="gmail-m_-1507158759030234753gmail_msg"> Dewole Ajao [<a href="mailto:dewole@forum.org.ng" class="gmail-m_-1507158759030234753gmail_msg" target="_blank">mailto:dewole@forum.org.ng</a>]
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<b class="gmail-m_-1507158759030234753gmail_msg">Sent:</b> 16 November 2016 12:52<br class="gmail-m_-1507158759030234753gmail_msg">
<b class="gmail-m_-1507158759030234753gmail_msg">To:</b> sergekbk <<a href="mailto:sergekbk@gmail.com" class="gmail-m_-1507158759030234753gmail_msg" target="_blank">sergekbk@gmail.com</a>>; Arnaud AMELINA <<a href="mailto:amelnaud@gmail.com" class="gmail-m_-1507158759030234753gmail_msg" target="_blank">amelnaud@gmail.com</a>>; rpd >> AfriNIC Resource Policy <<a href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net" class="gmail-m_-1507158759030234753gmail_msg" target="_blank">rpd@afrinic.net</a>>; General Discussions
of AFRINIC <<a href="mailto:community-discuss@afrinic.net" class="gmail-m_-1507158759030234753gmail_msg" target="_blank">community-discuss@afrinic.net</a><wbr>><br class="gmail-m_-1507158759030234753gmail_msg">
<b class="gmail-m_-1507158759030234753gmail_msg">Subject:</b> Re: [Community-Discuss] Update to Resources review policy proposal</span><u class="gmail-m_-1507158759030234753gmail_msg"></u><u class="gmail-m_-1507158759030234753gmail_msg"></u></p>
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<p class="gmail-m_-1507158759030234753gmail_msg">I think all policies (if we really intend to implement them) must be clear and leave no room for variable interpretation as ambiguity will put additional burdens of interpretation on staff.
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<p class="gmail-m_-1507158759030234753gmail_msg">If the community's preference is for the 24-month window to become invalid on allocation/assignment of new resources, then the policy (proposal) should state it clearly; If on the other hand, the intention is for the 24-month window to stay in place come-what-may,
it's better for the policy (proposal) to be explicit about it.<u class="gmail-m_-1507158759030234753gmail_msg"></u><u class="gmail-m_-1507158759030234753gmail_msg"></u></p>
<p class="gmail-m_-1507158759030234753gmail_msg">Please see below, additional questions for the community to consider. Hopefully, they can be discussed and the authors can (if they so choose,) take the inputs from the community into their modified proposal.<u class="gmail-m_-1507158759030234753gmail_msg"></u><u class="gmail-m_-1507158759030234753gmail_msg"></u></p>
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<span style="font-size:9pt;font-family:helvetica,sans-serif" class="gmail-m_-1507158759030234753gmail_msg">3.3.2 Selected:</span><u class="gmail-m_-1507158759030234753gmail_msg"></u><u class="gmail-m_-1507158759030234753gmail_msg"></u></p>
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A member is selected because of an internal report or due to a lack of contact between the AFRINIC and the member.</span><u class="gmail-m_-1507158759030234753gmail_msg"></u><u class="gmail-m_-1507158759030234753gmail_msg"></u></p>
<p class="gmail-m_-1507158759030234753gmail_msg">Q1. Do we presently have an existing (effective) structure (apart from billing) that measures degree of contact with members?
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If there is no agreed means of measuring the degree contact, we need to define degrees of contact so that "lack of contact" (as referred to in the proposal) can be measured objectively.
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<i class="gmail-m_-1507158759030234753gmail_msg">Perhaps as a first step for ensuring regular contact without using up too many resources, this proposal might want to borrow a leaf from RIPE's Assisted Registry Check (ARC). See
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https://www.ripe.net/manage-<wbr>ips-and-asns/resource-<wbr>management/assisted-registry-<wbr>check</a></i><u class="gmail-m_-1507158759030234753gmail_msg"></u><u class="gmail-m_-1507158759030234753gmail_msg"></u></p>
<p class="gmail-m_-1507158759030234753gmail_msg"><i class="gmail-m_-1507158759030234753gmail_msg">Basically, the RIR does a consistency check on members' Registry, Resource, and Route/rDNS information and then sends emails to the contacts on file showing their view. They then schedule a telephone call to work with the member and fix any identified
issues. </i><u class="gmail-m_-1507158759030234753gmail_msg"></u><u class="gmail-m_-1507158759030234753gmail_msg"></u></p>
<p class="gmail-m_-1507158759030234753gmail_msg"><i class="gmail-m_-1507158759030234753gmail_msg">My understanding from RIPE is that these non-invasive checks sometimes reveal issues that may warrant more detailed investigation. The primary model is by random checks but done in a manner that checks every member at least once in 3 years (given the
size of RIPE). They also have ARCs that are initiated as a result of information received from the member or third parties.
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<p class="MsoNormal gmail-m_-1507158759030234753gmail_msg" style="margin-bottom:12pt">Q2. Can reachability/cooperation of a member for such a consistency check-and-fix activity as described above be used to measure the degree of contact?<br class="gmail-m_-1507158759030234753gmail_msg">
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Q3. Given the fact that time taken for consistency checks are more predictable, can these be implemented as a preliminary step in addressing the "lack of investigation" problem as well as the concern about taking up much of members' and/or AFRINIC hostmasters'
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Regards,<br class="gmail-m_-1507158759030234753gmail_msg">
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<p class="MsoNormal gmail-m_-1507158759030234753gmail_msg">On 15/11/2016 20:18, sergekbk wrote:<u class="gmail-m_-1507158759030234753gmail_msg"></u><u class="gmail-m_-1507158759030234753gmail_msg"></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal gmail-m_-1507158759030234753gmail_msg">Hello Dewole,<u class="gmail-m_-1507158759030234753gmail_msg"></u><u class="gmail-m_-1507158759030234753gmail_msg"></u></p>
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Thanks for this comment.<br class="gmail-m_-1507158759030234753gmail_msg">
The limit of 24 months applies to a member based on ressources portfolio. If the portfolio changes with new allocation, member can be audited anytime on the new ressources if required.<u class="gmail-m_-1507158759030234753gmail_msg"></u><u class="gmail-m_-1507158759030234753gmail_msg"></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal gmail-m_-1507158759030234753gmail_msg">Is this clear enough or shall we make it explicit ?<br class="gmail-m_-1507158759030234753gmail_msg">
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<p class="MsoNormal gmail-m_-1507158759030234753gmail_msg"><b class="gmail-m_-1507158759030234753gmail_msg"><i class="gmail-m_-1507158759030234753gmail_msg">Serge Ilunga</i></b> <u class="gmail-m_-1507158759030234753gmail_msg"></u><u class="gmail-m_-1507158759030234753gmail_msg"></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal gmail-m_-1507158759030234753gmail_msg"><b class="gmail-m_-1507158759030234753gmail_msg"><i class="gmail-m_-1507158759030234753gmail_msg">Cell: <a href="tel:%2B243814443160" value="+243814443160" class="gmail-m_-1507158759030234753gmail_msg" target="_blank">+243814443160</a></i></b><u class="gmail-m_-1507158759030234753gmail_msg"></u><u class="gmail-m_-1507158759030234753gmail_msg"></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal gmail-m_-1507158759030234753gmail_msg"><b class="gmail-m_-1507158759030234753gmail_msg"><i class="gmail-m_-1507158759030234753gmail_msg">Skype: sergekbk</i></b><u class="gmail-m_-1507158759030234753gmail_msg"></u><u class="gmail-m_-1507158759030234753gmail_msg"></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal gmail-m_-1507158759030234753gmail_msg">From: Dewole Ajao <a href="mailto:dewole@tinitop.com" class="gmail-m_-1507158759030234753gmail_msg" target="_blank"><dewole@tinitop.com></a><u class="gmail-m_-1507158759030234753gmail_msg"></u><u class="gmail-m_-1507158759030234753gmail_msg"></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal gmail-m_-1507158759030234753gmail_msg">Date: 11/15/2016 11:38 (GMT+01:00) <u class="gmail-m_-1507158759030234753gmail_msg"></u><u class="gmail-m_-1507158759030234753gmail_msg"></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal gmail-m_-1507158759030234753gmail_msg">To: Arnaud AMELINA <a href="mailto:amelnaud@gmail.com" class="gmail-m_-1507158759030234753gmail_msg" target="_blank"><amelnaud@gmail.com></a>, "rpd >> AfriNIC Resource Policy"
<a href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net" class="gmail-m_-1507158759030234753gmail_msg" target="_blank"><rpd@afrinic.net></a>, General Discussions of AFRINIC
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<p class="MsoNormal gmail-m_-1507158759030234753gmail_msg">Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] Update to Resources review policy proposal
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<p class="gmail-m_-1507158759030234753gmail_msg">Thanks for working to apply the community's input to your proposal, Arnaud. <u class="gmail-m_-1507158759030234753gmail_msg"></u>
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<p class="gmail-m_-1507158759030234753gmail_msg">To test the proposed re-wording, consider the following sequence of events:<u class="gmail-m_-1507158759030234753gmail_msg"></u><u class="gmail-m_-1507158759030234753gmail_msg"></u></p>
<p class="gmail-m_-1507158759030234753gmail_msg">Member XYZ initiates self-requested review;<br class="gmail-m_-1507158759030234753gmail_msg">
Review is completed by AFRINIC in X weeks;<br class="gmail-m_-1507158759030234753gmail_msg">
After review, Member XYZ applies for "large chunk" of number resources;<br class="gmail-m_-1507158759030234753gmail_msg">
Member XYZ receives "large chunk" of number resources in say 60 days;<br class="gmail-m_-1507158759030234753gmail_msg">
Member XYZ happens to make some unacceptable use of (previous or new) number resources and it somehow becomes known to the community;<br class="gmail-m_-1507158759030234753gmail_msg">
Regardless of convincing evidence, Member XYZ cannot be subjected to a review until 24 months have elapsed since the last review.<u class="gmail-m_-1507158759030234753gmail_msg"></u><u class="gmail-m_-1507158759030234753gmail_msg"></u></p>
<p class="gmail-m_-1507158759030234753gmail_msg">Is this a design feature or a bug?<u class="gmail-m_-1507158759030234753gmail_msg"></u><u class="gmail-m_-1507158759030234753gmail_msg"></u></p>
<p class="gmail-m_-1507158759030234753gmail_msg">Regards,<u class="gmail-m_-1507158759030234753gmail_msg"></u><u class="gmail-m_-1507158759030234753gmail_msg"></u></p>
<p class="gmail-m_-1507158759030234753gmail_msg">Dewole.<u class="gmail-m_-1507158759030234753gmail_msg"></u><u class="gmail-m_-1507158759030234753gmail_msg"></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal gmail-m_-1507158759030234753gmail_msg">On 15/11/2016 10:48, Arnaud AMELINA wrote:<u class="gmail-m_-1507158759030234753gmail_msg"></u><u class="gmail-m_-1507158759030234753gmail_msg"></u></p>
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Following, recent discussions and in accordance with text proposal from Owen and others contributors, authors propose this as replacement to the section 3.3.3<u class="gmail-m_-1507158759030234753gmail_msg"></u><u class="gmail-m_-1507158759030234753gmail_msg"></u></p>
<p class="gmail-m_-1507158759030234753gmail_msg">-'---old version---''<u class="gmail-m_-1507158759030234753gmail_msg"></u><u class="gmail-m_-1507158759030234753gmail_msg"></u></p>
<p class="gmail-m_-1507158759030234753gmail_msg">3.3.3 Reported: Here, members are reviewed either because:<u class="gmail-m_-1507158759030234753gmail_msg"></u><u class="gmail-m_-1507158759030234753gmail_msg"></u></p>
<p class="gmail-m_-1507158759030234753gmail_msg">a. They have requested the review themselves or<br class="gmail-m_-1507158759030234753gmail_msg">
b. There has been a community complaint made against them that warrants investigation.
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<p class="gmail-m_-1507158759030234753gmail_msg">----new version-----<u class="gmail-m_-1507158759030234753gmail_msg"></u><u class="gmail-m_-1507158759030234753gmail_msg"></u></p>
<p class="gmail-m_-1507158759030234753gmail_msg">3.3.3 Reported: Here, members are reviewed either because:<u class="gmail-m_-1507158759030234753gmail_msg"></u><u class="gmail-m_-1507158759030234753gmail_msg"></u></p>
<p class="gmail-m_-1507158759030234753gmail_msg">a..They have requested the review themselves or<br class="gmail-m_-1507158759030234753gmail_msg">
b. There has been a community complaint made against them that warrants investigation. Complaints shall be backed by evidence and AFRINIC staff shall evaluate the facts as appropriate to conduct the review. However this review is not applicable to a member
on which a full review has been completed in the preceding 24 months.<u class="gmail-m_-1507158759030234753gmail_msg"></u><u class="gmail-m_-1507158759030234753gmail_msg"></u></p>
<p class="gmail-m_-1507158759030234753gmail_msg">Regards.<u class="gmail-m_-1507158759030234753gmail_msg"></u><u class="gmail-m_-1507158759030234753gmail_msg"></u></p>
<p class="gmail-m_-1507158759030234753gmail_msg">Arnaud. <u class="gmail-m_-1507158759030234753gmail_msg"></u><u class="gmail-m_-1507158759030234753gmail_msg"></u></p>
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