<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><div class="">Hello,</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">I agree with Badru and we should always look at the big picture as suggested. </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">What if the reduction of 15% of the revenue occurs through return of ressources by members as per section 7 of the fees schedule or by normal members closure? </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">We need to have a different conversation.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><a href="http://www.afrinic.net/en/services/rs/membership-fees" class="">http://www.afrinic.net/en/services/rs/membership-fees</a></div><div class=""><a href="http://www.afrinic.net/services/becoming-a-member/1207-closure-list" class="">http://www.afrinic.net/services/becoming-a-member/1207-closure-list</a></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">—Alain</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><br class=""><div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Nov 22, 2016, at 12:57 PM, Andrew Alston <<a href="mailto:Andrew.Alston@liquidtelecom.com" class="">Andrew.Alston@liquidtelecom.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div class="WordSection1" style="page: WordSection1; font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;"><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: windowtext;" class="">Actually – do the maths – that is pretty much the situation.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: windowtext;" class=""> </span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: windowtext;" class="">Please go and look at the profitability of the company over the last few years based vis-a-vie the revenue numbers.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: windowtext;" class=""> </span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: windowtext;" class="">Our income in the 2015 financial year was 4.084 million dollars.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: windowtext;" class="">Our Surplus for the year was $402,245<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: windowtext;" class=""> </span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: windowtext;" class="">If you remove 15% of the revenue, you remove $612,000 from the income.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: windowtext;" class=""> </span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: windowtext;" class="">That would leave us at a net loss of in excess of $200k USD.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: windowtext;" class=""> </span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: windowtext;" class="">And that is calculated against the year where we had our best income surplus in the last 5 or 6 years.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: windowtext;" class=""> </span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: windowtext;" class="">Seriously – before you doubt things – go and do your homework – the numbers are in black and white on the financial statements that have been given to this community at every AGMM.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: windowtext;" class=""> </span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: windowtext;" class="">Andrew<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: windowtext;" class=""> </span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: windowtext;" class=""> </span></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: windowtext;" class=""> </span></div><div class=""><div style="border-style: solid none none; border-top-color: rgb(225, 225, 225); border-top-width: 1pt; padding: 3pt 0cm 0cm;" class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><b class=""><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: windowtext;" class="">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: windowtext;" class=""><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Badru Ntege [<a href="mailto:badru.ntege@nftconsult.com" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">mailto:badru.ntege@nftconsult.com</a>]<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class=""><b class="">Sent:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>17 November 2016 08:09<br class=""><b class="">To:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Andrew Alston <<a href="mailto:Andrew.Alston@liquidtelecom.com" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">Andrew.Alston@liquidtelecom.com</a>>; Dewole Ajao <<a href="mailto:dewole@forum.org.ng" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">dewole@forum.org.ng</a>>; sergekbk <<a href="mailto:sergekbk@gmail.com" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">sergekbk@gmail.com</a>>; Arnaud AMELINA <<a href="mailto:amelnaud@gmail.com" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">amelnaud@gmail.com</a>>; rpd >> AfriNIC Resource Policy <<a href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">rpd@afrinic.net</a>><br class=""><b class="">Subject:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [rpd] [Community-Discuss] Update to Resources review policy proposal<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> </span></div></div><div class=""><div id="" class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div></div></div></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> </span></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">On 11/16/16, 1:43 PM, "Andrew Alston" <<a href="mailto:Andrew.Alston@liquidtelecom.com" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">Andrew.Alston@liquidtelecom.com</a>> wrote:<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> </span></div></div><blockquote id="MAC_OUTLOOK_ATTRIBUTION_BLOCKQUOTE" style="border-style: none none none solid; border-left-color: rgb(181, 196, 223); border-left-width: 4.5pt; padding: 0cm 0cm 0cm 4pt; margin-left: 3.75pt; margin-right: 0cm;" class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: windowtext;" class="">So,</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: windowtext;" class=""> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: windowtext;" class="">I have a hypothetical question – and it will become a lot less hypothetical once I’ve run the numbers which I’m currently doing.</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: windowtext;" class=""> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: windowtext;" class="">Let’s say we implement this audit policy – and then – because we have to act consistently – we act against every member who is not announcing space because they cannot justify not announcing it – and we terminate their membership.</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: windowtext;" class=""> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: windowtext;" class="">Are the authors of this policy and those supporting it prepared to bear the cost of the fee increases that would be necessary to back fill the loss in revenue that would effectively bankrupt AfriNIC? Running through the preliminary statistics – firstly the auditing process would be immensely expensive in HR cost – secondly – termination of members that aren’t “legitimately” announcing space by rough calculations could cost AfriNIC in excess of 15% of its revenue by the latest numbers available in the financial reports and correlating the unannounced space that is allocated with the billing file.</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div></blockquote><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> </span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">I hardly believe that a drop in 15% of revenue would bankrupt AfriNIC ??. If that’s the case then our problems are bigger than an Audit. Which I definitely doubt. <o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> </span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Lets not add scary variables to support opposition to a policy. <o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> </span></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> </span></div></div><blockquote id="MAC_OUTLOOK_ATTRIBUTION_BLOCKQUOTE" style="border-style: none none none solid; border-left-color: rgb(181, 196, 223); border-left-width: 4.5pt; padding: 0cm 0cm 0cm 4pt; margin-left: 3.75pt; margin-right: 0cm;" class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: windowtext;" class=""> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: windowtext;" class="">Now, some would argue that is all the more reason to implement the audit policy – but here is a wake up call – the space you would recover in that call on those calculations – amounts to less than 10% of space that AfriNIC has allocated legitimately since May – so effectively, for the gain of looking tough and being rigid, we may end up bankrupting the organisation while recovering potentially a /15 worth of space. Alternatively, from any logical business perspective – that money would have to be recovered from the members who are legitimately announcing space – because it certainly can’t just disappear.</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: windowtext;" class=""> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: windowtext;" class="">So, has anyone ACTUALLY thought through the implications of this policy? I remain firmly opposed.</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: windowtext;" class=""> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: windowtext;" class="">Andrew</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: windowtext;" class=""> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: windowtext;" class=""> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class=""><div style="border-style: solid none none; border-top-color: rgb(225, 225, 225); border-top-width: 1pt; padding: 3pt 0cm 0cm;" class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><b class=""><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: windowtext;" class="">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: windowtext;" class=""><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Dewole Ajao [<a href="mailto:dewole@forum.org.ng" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">mailto:dewole@forum.org.ng</a>]<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class=""><b class="">Sent:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>16 November 2016 12:52<br class=""><b class="">To:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>sergekbk <<a href="mailto:sergekbk@gmail.com" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">sergekbk@gmail.com</a>>; Arnaud AMELINA <<a href="mailto:amelnaud@gmail.com" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">amelnaud@gmail.com</a>>; rpd >> AfriNIC Resource Policy <<a href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">rpd@afrinic.net</a>>; General Discussions of AFRINIC <<a href="mailto:community-discuss@afrinic.net" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">community-discuss@afrinic.net</a>><br class=""><b class="">Subject:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [Community-Discuss] Update to Resources review policy proposal</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div><p style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class="">I think all policies (if we really intend to implement them) must be clear and leave no room for variable interpretation as ambiguity will put additional burdens of interpretation on staff.<o:p class=""></o:p></p><p style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class="">If the community's preference is for the 24-month window to become invalid on allocation/assignment of new resources, then the policy (proposal) should state it clearly; If on the other hand, the intention is for the 24-month window to stay in place come-what-may, it's better for the policy (proposal) to be explicit about it.<o:p class=""></o:p></p><p style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class="">Please see below, additional questions for the community to consider. Hopefully, they can be discussed and the authors can (if they so choose,) take the inputs from the community into their modified proposal.<o:p class=""></o:p></p><p style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; color: rgb(51, 51, 51); margin-bottom: 3.75pt; background-color: rgb(238, 238, 238); orphans: 2; text-align: start; widows: 2; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; word-spacing: 0px; background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial;" class=""><span style="font-size: 9pt; font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;" class="">3.3.2 Selected:</span><o:p class=""></o:p></p><p style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; color: rgb(51, 51, 51); margin-bottom: 3.75pt; background-color: rgb(238, 238, 238); orphans: 2; text-align: start; widows: 2; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; word-spacing: 0px; background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial;" class=""><span style="font-size: 9pt; font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;" class=""><br class="">A member is selected because of an internal report or due to a lack of contact between the AFRINIC and the member.</span><o:p class=""></o:p></p><p style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class="">Q1. Do we presently have an existing (effective) structure (apart from billing) that measures degree of contact with members?<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="">If there is no agreed means of measuring the degree contact, we need to define degrees of contact so that "lack of contact" (as referred to in the proposal) can be measured objectively.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class=""><br class=""><i class="">Perhaps as a first step for ensuring regular contact without using up too many resources, this proposal might want to borrow a leaf from RIPE's Assisted Registry Check (ARC). See<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="https://www.ripe.net/manage-ips-and-asns/resource-management/assisted-registry-check" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">https://www.ripe.net/manage-ips-and-asns/resource-management/assisted-registry-check</a></i><o:p class=""></o:p></p><p style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><i class="">Basically, the RIR does a consistency check on members' Registry, Resource, and Route/rDNS information and then sends emails to the contacts on file showing their view. They then schedule a telephone call to work with the member and fix any identified issues.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></i><o:p class=""></o:p></p><p style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><i class="">My understanding from RIPE is that these non-invasive checks sometimes reveal issues that may warrant more detailed investigation. The primary model is by random checks but done in a manner that checks every member at least once in 3 years (given the size of RIPE). They also have ARCs that are initiated as a result of information received from the member or third parties.</i><o:p class=""></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 12pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;">Q2. Can reachability/cooperation of a member for such a consistency check-and-fix activity as described above be used to measure the degree of contact?<br class=""><br class="">Q3. Given the fact that time taken for consistency checks are more predictable, can these be implemented as a preliminary step in addressing the "lack of investigation" problem as well as the concern about taking up much of members' and/or AFRINIC hostmasters' time?<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class=""><br class="">Regards,<br class="">Dewole.<br class="">(with apologies for continuing the cross-posting between RPD and Community-discuss)<o:p class=""></o:p></p><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class="">On 15/11/2016 20:18, sergekbk wrote:<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><blockquote style="margin-top: 5pt; margin-bottom: 5pt;" class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class="">Hello Dewole,<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><br class="">Thanks for this comment.<br class="">The limit of 24 months applies to a member based on ressources portfolio. If the portfolio changes with new allocation, member can be audited anytime on the new ressources if required.<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class="">Is this clear enough or shall we make it explicit ?<br class=""><br class="">Kind Regards.<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div id="composer_signature" class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><b class=""><i class="">Serge Ilunga</i></b><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><b class=""><i class="">Cell: +243814443160</i></b><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><b class=""><i class="">Skype: sergekbk</i></b><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><b class=""><i class="">R.D.Congo</i></b><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class="">-------- Original message --------<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class="">From: Dewole Ajao<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:dewole@tinitop.com" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class=""><dewole@tinitop.com></a><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class="">Date: 11/15/2016 11:38 (GMT+01:00)<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class="">To: Arnaud AMELINA<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:amelnaud@gmail.com" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class=""><amelnaud@gmail.com></a>, "rpd >> AfriNIC Resource Policy"<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class=""><rpd@afrinic.net></a>, General Discussions of AFRINIC<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:community-discuss@afrinic.net" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class=""><community-discuss@afrinic.net></a><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class="">Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] Update to Resources review policy proposal<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div><p style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class="">Thanks for working to apply the community's input to your proposal, Arnaud.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></p><p style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class="">To test the proposed re-wording, consider the following sequence of events:<o:p class=""></o:p></p><p style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class="">Member XYZ initiates self-requested review;<br class="">Review is completed by AFRINIC in X weeks;<br class="">After review, Member XYZ applies for "large chunk" of number resources;<br class="">Member XYZ receives "large chunk" of number resources in say 60 days;<br class="">Member XYZ happens to make some unacceptable use of (previous or new) number resources and it somehow becomes known to the community;<br class="">Regardless of convincing evidence, Member XYZ cannot be subjected to a review until 24 months have elapsed since the last review.<o:p class=""></o:p></p><p style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class="">Is this a design feature or a bug?<o:p class=""></o:p></p><p style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class="">Regards,<o:p class=""></o:p></p><p style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class="">Dewole.<o:p class=""></o:p></p><p style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></p><div class=""><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class="">On 15/11/2016 10:48, Arnaud AMELINA wrote:<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><blockquote style="margin-top: 5pt; margin-bottom: 5pt;" class=""><div class=""><p style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class="">Hi community !<br class="">Following, recent discussions and in accordance with text proposal from Owen and others contributors, authors propose this as replacement to the section 3.3.3<o:p class=""></o:p></p><p style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class="">-'---old version---''<o:p class=""></o:p></p><p style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class="">3.3.3 Reported: Here, members are reviewed either because:<o:p class=""></o:p></p><p style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class="">a. They have requested the review themselves or<br class="">b. There has been a community complaint made against them that warrants investigation.<o:p class=""></o:p></p><p style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class="">----new version-----<o:p class=""></o:p></p><p style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class="">3.3.3 Reported: Here, members are reviewed either because:<o:p class=""></o:p></p><p style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class="">a..They have requested the review themselves or<br class="">b. There has been a community complaint made against them that warrants investigation. Complaints shall be backed by evidence and AFRINIC staff shall evaluate the facts as appropriate to conduct the review. However this review is not applicable to a member on which a full review has been completed in the preceding 24 months.<o:p class=""></o:p></p><p style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class="">Regards.<o:p class=""></o:p></p><p style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class="">Arnaud.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></p></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><br class=""><br class=""><br class=""><br class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></div><pre style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Courier New';" class="">_______________________________________________<o:p class=""></o:p></pre><pre style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Courier New';" class="">Community-Discuss mailing list<o:p class=""></o:p></pre><pre style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; 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