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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:windowtext;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Hi Saul,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:windowtext;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">I 100% agree that this is a personal and emotional response, and I would love to respond from an objective and substantiated basis.
However, since the authors have point blank refused to provide me anything that allows me to form a substantiated opinion, I can only go on my gut and based on what I derive both from the lack of empirical evidence/data and the refusal to provide such.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:windowtext;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:windowtext;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">As such, I choose to err on the side of caution and reject something for which no basis has been provided.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:windowtext;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Andrew<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:windowtext">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:windowtext"> Saul Stein [mailto:saul@enetworks.co.za]
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<b>Sent:</b> 22 November 2016 14:10<br>
<b>To:</b> Andrew Alston <Andrew.Alston@liquidtelecom.com>; Badru Ntege <badru.ntege@nftconsult.com>; Dewole Ajao <dewole@forum.org.ng>; sergekbk <sergekbk@gmail.com>; Arnaud AMELINA <amelnaud@gmail.com>; rpd >> AfriNIC Resource Policy <rpd@afrinic.net><br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: [rpd] [Community-Discuss] Update to Resources review policy proposal<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-ZA" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Hi Andrew,
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-ZA" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">That is a personal/emotional response. Personally I work on fact, not fiction or assumptions.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-ZA" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-ZA" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">We need to vote and come to a consensus based on fact and not fiction, so perhaps the authors could respond with what
the real issue is that they are trying to resolve.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-ZA" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">(this proposal insinuates that the host masters aren’t evaluating application properly so really what is going on here?)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-ZA" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Thanks<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:windowtext">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:windowtext"> Andrew Alston [<a href="mailto:Andrew.Alston@liquidtelecom.com">mailto:Andrew.Alston@liquidtelecom.com</a>]
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<b>Sent:</b> 22 November 2016 11:46 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Saul Stein <<a href="mailto:saul@enetworks.co.za">saul@enetworks.co.za</a>>; Badru Ntege <<a href="mailto:badru.ntege@nftconsult.com">badru.ntege@nftconsult.com</a>>; Dewole Ajao <<a href="mailto:dewole@forum.org.ng">dewole@forum.org.ng</a>>; sergekbk
<<a href="mailto:sergekbk@gmail.com">sergekbk@gmail.com</a>>; Arnaud AMELINA <<a href="mailto:amelnaud@gmail.com">amelnaud@gmail.com</a>>; rpd >> AfriNIC Resource Policy <<a href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net">rpd@afrinic.net</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: [rpd] [Community-Discuss] Update to Resources review policy proposal<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:windowtext;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Saul,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:windowtext;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:windowtext;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">As I have stated – due to all evidence presented to me – and while I cannot go beyond the evidence presented to me and this is merely
an opinion, because I am not a mind reader, my opinion is that there are motivations behind this policy which are not being clearly stated. I personally believe that this policy is designed to give a platform to after specific individuals who there is a mistaken
belief are misusing resources because people don’t like the fact that they got them in the first place in full compliance with the policies.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:windowtext;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:windowtext;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">I personally believe that there is a reason why the authors of this policy have refused to put the safe guards in place that have
been requested, including the mandatory disclosure of the complainant to the person who is being complained about, and the reasons strike me as deeply nefarious.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:windowtext;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:windowtext;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">As I said – that is a personal opinion, I leave everyone else to review everything I have said in previous emails and come to their
own conclusions as to the real motivations behind this. My objections to this policy stand based on its ease at which it can be used by operators to harass other operators with absolutely no recourse to the one being harassed. My objections to this policy
also stand based on the fact that there is absolutely zero evidence provided that the abuse that the authors claim this policy is attempting to deal with exist at all, and based on that the policy is attempting to deal with a situation that is entirely hypothetical
while having serious ramifications. My objections to this policy stand, based on the fact that as of yet, no one is prepared to state how these audits are meant to occur, or on what basis a complainant can trigger an audit and what evidence they have to provide
to substantiate their complaint, other than lack of visibility in the routing table. And if we use visibility in the routing table – the total amount of space is so negligible in the context of allocations the policy has absolutely zero purpose other than
to hurt AfriNIC revenues.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:windowtext;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Andrew<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:windowtext">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:windowtext"> Saul Stein [<a href="mailto:saul@enetworks.co.za">mailto:saul@enetworks.co.za</a>]
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<b>Sent:</b> 22 November 2016 12:07<br>
<b>To:</b> Badru Ntege <<a href="mailto:badru.ntege@nftconsult.com">badru.ntege@nftconsult.com</a>>; Andrew Alston <<a href="mailto:Andrew.Alston@liquidtelecom.com">Andrew.Alston@liquidtelecom.com</a>>; Dewole Ajao <<a href="mailto:dewole@forum.org.ng">dewole@forum.org.ng</a>>;
sergekbk <<a href="mailto:sergekbk@gmail.com">sergekbk@gmail.com</a>>; Arnaud AMELINA <<a href="mailto:amelnaud@gmail.com">amelnaud@gmail.com</a>>; rpd >> AfriNIC Resource Policy <<a href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net">rpd@afrinic.net</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: [rpd] [Community-Discuss] Update to Resources review policy proposal<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-ZA" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Have I perhaps missed the point here, but what is the purpose of this policy?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoListParagraph" style="text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo2"><![if !supportLists]><span lang="EN-ZA" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><span style="mso-list:Ignore">1)<span style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"">
</span></span></span><![endif]><span lang="EN-ZA" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Is the purpose that there is no current way to reclaim resources fraudulently applied for?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoListParagraph" style="text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo2"><![if !supportLists]><span lang="EN-ZA" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><span style="mso-list:Ignore">2)<span style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"">
</span></span></span><![endif]><span lang="EN-ZA" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Preserve v4 space (but this policy would have to be for v6 too – I’d hate to have to audit all that space)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span></span></span><![endif]><span lang="EN-ZA" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">To remove space that people are no longer using?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-ZA" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">It is one thing saying that there is a need to audit, but for what purpose? And by purpose I am including the ultimate
goal and objectives, since there is no point in saying lets audit and then there is no ramifications expect to AFRINIC earning less revenue from the resources it charges for.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:windowtext">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:windowtext"> Badru Ntege [<a href="mailto:badru.ntege@nftconsult.com">mailto:badru.ntege@nftconsult.com</a>]
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<b>Sent:</b> 17 November 2016 07:09 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Andrew Alston <<a href="mailto:Andrew.Alston@liquidtelecom.com">Andrew.Alston@liquidtelecom.com</a>>; Dewole Ajao <<a href="mailto:dewole@forum.org.ng">dewole@forum.org.ng</a>>; sergekbk <<a href="mailto:sergekbk@gmail.com">sergekbk@gmail.com</a>>;
Arnaud AMELINA <<a href="mailto:amelnaud@gmail.com">amelnaud@gmail.com</a>>; rpd >> AfriNIC Resource Policy <<a href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net">rpd@afrinic.net</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [rpd] [Community-Discuss] Update to Resources review policy proposal<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-ZA" style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">On 11/16/16, 1:43 PM, "Andrew Alston" <<a href="mailto:Andrew.Alston@liquidtelecom.com">Andrew.Alston@liquidtelecom.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:windowtext">I have a hypothetical question – and it will become a lot less hypothetical once I’ve run the numbers which I’m currently doing.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:windowtext">Let’s say we implement this audit policy – and then – because we have to act consistently – we act against every member who is not announcing space because
they cannot justify not announcing it – and we terminate their membership.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:windowtext">Are the authors of this policy and those supporting it prepared to bear the cost of the fee increases that would be necessary to back fill the loss in revenue
that would effectively bankrupt AfriNIC? Running through the preliminary statistics – firstly the auditing process would be immensely expensive in HR cost – secondly – termination of members that aren’t “legitimately” announcing space by rough calculations
could cost AfriNIC in excess of 15% of its revenue by the latest numbers available in the financial reports and correlating the unannounced space that is allocated with the billing file.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-ZA" style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">I hardly believe that a drop in 15% of revenue would bankrupt AfriNIC ??. If that’s the case then our problems are bigger than an Audit. Which I definitely
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-ZA" style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Lets not add scary variables to support opposition to a policy. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:windowtext">Now, some would argue that is all the more reason to implement the audit policy – but here is a wake up call – the space you would recover in that call on
those calculations – amounts to less than 10% of space that AfriNIC has allocated legitimately since May – so effectively, for the gain of looking tough and being rigid, we may end up bankrupting the organisation while recovering potentially a /15 worth of
space. Alternatively, from any logical business perspective – that money would have to be recovered from the members who are legitimately announcing space – because it certainly can’t just disappear.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:windowtext">So, has anyone ACTUALLY thought through the implications of this policy? I remain firmly opposed.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<b>Sent:</b> 16 November 2016 12:52<br>
<b>To:</b> sergekbk <<a href="mailto:sergekbk@gmail.com">sergekbk@gmail.com</a>>; Arnaud AMELINA <<a href="mailto:amelnaud@gmail.com">amelnaud@gmail.com</a>>; rpd >> AfriNIC Resource Policy <<a href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net">rpd@afrinic.net</a>>; General Discussions
of AFRINIC <<a href="mailto:community-discuss@afrinic.net">community-discuss@afrinic.net</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Community-Discuss] Update to Resources review policy proposal</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p>I think all policies (if we really intend to implement them) must be clear and leave no room for variable interpretation as ambiguity will put additional burdens of interpretation on staff.
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<p>If the community's preference is for the 24-month window to become invalid on allocation/assignment of new resources, then the policy (proposal) should state it clearly; If on the other hand, the intention is for the 24-month window to stay in place come-what-may,
it's better for the policy (proposal) to be explicit about it.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>Please see below, additional questions for the community to consider. Hopefully, they can be discussed and the authors can (if they so choose,) take the inputs from the community into their modified proposal.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif">3.3.2 Selected:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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A member is selected because of an internal report or due to a lack of contact between the AFRINIC and the member.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p>Q1. Do we presently have an existing (effective) structure (apart from billing) that measures degree of contact with members?
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If there is no agreed means of measuring the degree contact, we need to define degrees of contact so that "lack of contact" (as referred to in the proposal) can be measured objectively.
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<i>Perhaps as a first step for ensuring regular contact without using up too many resources, this proposal might want to borrow a leaf from RIPE's Assisted Registry Check (ARC). See
<a href="https://www.ripe.net/manage-ips-and-asns/resource-management/assisted-registry-check">
https://www.ripe.net/manage-ips-and-asns/resource-management/assisted-registry-check</a></i><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><i>Basically, the RIR does a consistency check on members' Registry, Resource, and Route/rDNS information and then sends emails to the contacts on file showing their view. They then schedule a telephone call to work with the member and fix any identified
issues. </i><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><i>My understanding from RIPE is that these non-invasive checks sometimes reveal issues that may warrant more detailed investigation. The primary model is by random checks but done in a manner that checks every member at least once in 3 years (given the
size of RIPE). They also have ARCs that are initiated as a result of information received from the member or third parties.
</i><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">Q2. Can reachability/cooperation of a member for such a consistency check-and-fix activity as described above be used to measure the degree of contact?<br>
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Q3. Given the fact that time taken for consistency checks are more predictable, can these be implemented as a preliminary step in addressing the "lack of investigation" problem as well as the concern about taking up much of members' and/or AFRINIC hostmasters'
time? <br>
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Regards,<br>
Dewole.<br>
(with apologies for continuing the cross-posting between RPD and Community-discuss)<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On 15/11/2016 20:18, sergekbk wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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Thanks for this comment.<br>
The limit of 24 months applies to a member based on ressources portfolio. If the portfolio changes with new allocation, member can be audited anytime on the new ressources if required.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Is this clear enough or shall we make it explicit ?<br>
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Kind Regards.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">From: Dewole Ajao <a href="mailto:dewole@tinitop.com"><dewole@tinitop.com></a><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Date: 11/15/2016 11:38 (GMT+01:00) <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">To: Arnaud AMELINA <a href="mailto:amelnaud@gmail.com"><amelnaud@gmail.com></a>, "rpd >> AfriNIC Resource Policy"
<a href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net"><rpd@afrinic.net></a>, General Discussions of AFRINIC
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<p class="MsoNormal">Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] Update to Resources review policy proposal
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<p>Thanks for working to apply the community's input to your proposal, Arnaud. <o:p>
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<p>To test the proposed re-wording, consider the following sequence of events:<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>Member XYZ initiates self-requested review;<br>
Review is completed by AFRINIC in X weeks;<br>
After review, Member XYZ applies for "large chunk" of number resources;<br>
Member XYZ receives "large chunk" of number resources in say 60 days;<br>
Member XYZ happens to make some unacceptable use of (previous or new) number resources and it somehow becomes known to the community;<br>
Regardless of convincing evidence, Member XYZ cannot be subjected to a review until 24 months have elapsed since the last review.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>Is this a design feature or a bug?<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>Regards,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>Dewole.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p>Hi community !<br>
Following, recent discussions and in accordance with text proposal from Owen and others contributors, authors propose this as replacement to the section 3.3.3<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>-'---old version---''<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>3.3.3 Reported: Here, members are reviewed either because:<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>a. They have requested the review themselves or<br>
b. There has been a community complaint made against them that warrants investigation.
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<p>----new version-----<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>3.3.3 Reported: Here, members are reviewed either because:<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>a..They have requested the review themselves or<br>
b. There has been a community complaint made against them that warrants investigation. Complaints shall be backed by evidence and AFRINIC staff shall evaluate the facts as appropriate to conduct the review. However this review is not applicable to a member
on which a full review has been completed in the preceding 24 months.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>Regards.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>Arnaud. <o:p></o:p></p>
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