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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">Corrected Typo:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">“The RIPE community has an Inter-RIR transfer policy that does
</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"> *<b>NOT</b>*
</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">require the other RIR's policy to be two-way…”</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">Thanks<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">Chris .<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">Subject:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> Re: [rpd] Summary of proposal: Inbound transfer policy<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">>></span>The ARIN section 8.4 calls for a “compatible needs based policy”. I know that there was significant opposition in the ARIN region to considering such a proposal “compatible” when it was being discussed
in LACNIC. The proposal did not gain consensus in LACNIC region, so the matter remains unsettled in the ARIN region. I do not speak for or on behalf of the ARIN AC, but my vote (which is only one in 15) would be no. I don’t think I would be the only “no” vote,
but I can’t say for sure.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">The RIPE community has an Inter-RIR transfer policy that does
</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"> *<b>NOT</b>*
</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">require the other RIR's policy to be two-way and this could be a good start in potentially having other RIRs adopt policies that do not necessarily have to be symmetrically
compatible , but informed my other factors as well .<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">>></span>I do favor a bi-directional policy. I think that the reality is this is just a formality as there is likely much less space available for transfer out of Africa than in, but that is up to the community.<span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"> >I supposed you meant IPV4 resources , the proposed inbound transfer policy encompasses all IP resources including 16bit and 32bit ASN, IPv4 space and IPv6
space. For example, it will then be possible to consolidate all resources (IPs and ASNs) into an African holding company when merging and acquiring companies that have these resources allocated from off the Afrinic region .<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">>></span>Wait long enough to pass a policy acceptable to the other RIRs and it won’t matter because there won’t be any available space to transfer. We’re already seeing the price per address starting to rise as
orders are getting harder to fill.<span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"> > Refer to answer above</span>.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">Chris</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Nov 14, 2016, at 20:02 , Christopher Mwangi <<a href="mailto:christopher.mwangi@liquidtelecom.com">christopher.mwangi@liquidtelecom.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Batang","serif"">"Transfers between RIRs should be among peers on equal footing with mutual respect to the policies in both regions"</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Equal footing can be quite subjective depending on what is being considered . Is Africa on an equal footing with the other 4 RIRs in regards to the resource allocated? Probably
not in some . This is merely an invitation to other RIRs ,the communities in those regions can either accept it or reject it, which would then fulfil the last two concerns - mutual respect and policies.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">If the AfriNIC community wants to open the door for one-way transfers from any other region, then that is totally fine as far as any other community's policies are concerned.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">-----Original Message-----<br>
From: Owen DeLong [<a href="mailto:owen@delong.com">mailto:owen@delong.com</a>]<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><br>
Sent: Monday, November 14, 2016 10:33 PM<br>
To: Dewole Ajao<br>
Cc: AfriNIC RPD MList.<br>
Subject: Re: [rpd] Summary of proposal: Inbound transfer policy<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">I remain opposed to any unidirectional inter-RIR transfer proposal.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Transfers between RIRs should be among peers on equal footing with mutual respect to the policies in both regions.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Unidirectional proposals do not reflect this.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">> On Nov 13, 2016, at 19:25 , Dewole Ajao <<a href="mailto:dewole@forum.org.ng"><span style="color:windowtext;text-decoration:none">dewole@forum.org.ng</span></a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">> Please take some time to view and comment on<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="https://goo.gl/Lu3deS"><span style="color:windowtext;text-decoration:none">https://goo.gl/Lu3deS</span></a><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span>with
a view toward fine-tuning and producing an improved plan for managing transfer of IP resources into the AFRINIC region.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">> Thank you.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">> _______________________________________________<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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