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<p>[speaking in personal capacity]</p>
<p>Just a reminder that changing AFRINIC's IPv6 allocation to a
slow-start model may lead to unnecessarily bloated global routing
tables (which seems to be one of the lessons we have learnt from
IPv4).</p>
<p>Dewole.<br>
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<div class="">So i just want to push another thought in this pool
of ideas going around. I wanted us all to think :</div>
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<li class="">One i agree that afrinic cannot and should not
impose IPv6 as much as it concerns the major LIRs which to
me is quite understandable at this stage and am again 50/50
on this. It is like ok giving some v6 resources away which
is not being used majorly either since the concentration is
still with the v4 space. Fair enough, Afrinic in the past
had decided to give v6 resources for free to help in its
growth. So nothing much is happening so far. So am i picking
suggestions that we should not give v6 resources away for
free? </li>
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<li class="">The other thinking i am having is ok fine
perhaps the minimal v6 allocation that comes with the v4
resources is too much anyways - perhaps a very least
minimal give away should be /52 or /56 on a general
approach for organisations to look at it and perhaps then
come back and ask for bigger blocks that can be charged?</li>
<li class="">On a different scale as far as
Academia/Research is concerned perhaps we should take a
different approach with them. Since they are kind of key
to research we can take it that v4 resources and v6
resources should be allocated differently and dual
stacking be requested as part of allocation. People do not
get me wrong here. This is the very start of teaching and
research which may require further in depth thinking and
these institutions as much as paying 50% in general terms
should be able to nurture the future of v6 as well. I know
in general Academia does not want to be touched and
compared differently we need to also see the real essence
of facts.</li>
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<div class="">Bottomline what is important is also survival of the
businesses as much as survival of Afrinic as well. Great
policies great but i feel personally that everything needs to be
weighted as well to ensure sustained growth in all parts of the
organisations in general. </div>
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<div class="">My personal take is really no imposed approach
perhaps a very limited v6 allocation in general to any new comer
but when they need the v6 resources come back to get them if you
need them. </div>
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<div class="">Academia/Research v4 and v6 allocation goes hand in
hand however v6 resources may need to be dual stacked with your
v4 space and should be in use at least to some extent perhaps
30-40% usage needs to happen else i find it again useless to
allocate v6 again if not used. To me it means “yes we have it
but hey we not using it anyways”. No imposition but want some
added thinking. </div>
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<div class="">I am sure this would generate some good and bad “for
and against” but i need to be sure i am also thinking straight
here to see how best we can use our resources properly and being
used and not thrown in a just allocation box.</div>
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<p dir="ltr" class="">Hello Nishal,</p>
<p dir="ltr" class="">I don't support either your
comment/suggestions.</p>
<p dir="ltr" class="">One question: How are we going
to increase use of IPv6 in our region if we do not
strengthen our policies about ipv6 adoption? <br
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"Don't tell me how to run my network " routhly
said. I personally don't support and don't like
this answer. <br class="">
AFRINIC vision is "Be the leading force in growing
the internet for Africa's sustainable development"
and it is Afrinic duty to put all the necessary
guidelines for the development of Internet in our
region. <br class="">
Please we should not forget Afrinic mission in our
region.<br class="">
And Afrinic has already started by trainings and
capacity building.<br class="">
We need just to strengthen it and make the IPv6 a
reality in our region.</p>
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<div class="">The key you are missing is “leading”… Let’s
look at what that word means.</div>
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<div class="">A leader shows the way. A leader is in front
giving an example and encouraging others to follow that
example.</div>
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<div class="">If you are pushing someone, you cannot
possibly be in front of them, or, you are sending them
in the wrong way.</div>
<div class="">Pushing IPv6 resources onto networks that do
not want them will not get IPv6 deployed. It is not
leadership. It is pushing and it will push people in the
wrong direction. At best, it will accomplish nothing. At
worst, it will create resentments… “What do you mean I
have to pay for resources I don’t want in order to get
the resources I want?”</div>
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<div class="">I admit that my proposal may risk some of
those resentments as well, but at least in the case of
what I have proposed (and I’m not sure this is a good
idea, just an idea) I put forth concrete measurable
metrics for actual deployment and use of IPv6 rather
than merely here, you must take and pay for these
resources whether you will use them or not.</div>
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