<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=windows-1252"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class="">What outbound policy?<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Currently there is no outbound policy.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">This is my point. The policy you have proposed is inherently unfair and turns AfriNIC into either some form of privileged citizen of the RIR community or a second-class citizen of the RIR community, depending on how you choose to look at it.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">I see valid reasons not to approve an outbound transfer policy while AfriNIC still has an IPv4 free pool, but if that’s the concern, then let us not extend that limitation beyond the life of the AfriNIC IPv4 free pool.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Otherwise, it just seems wrong.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Owen</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Jun 20, 2016, at 22:03 , Christopher Mwangi <<a href="mailto:christopher.mwangi@liquidtelecom.com" class="">christopher.mwangi@liquidtelecom.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div class="WordSection1" style="page: WordSection1; font-family: Monaco; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;"><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Hi Owen,<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Because in that case , the resources would flow off the continent , which would then be covered under the outbound policy,<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Thanks<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Christopher<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div><div class=""><div style="border-style: solid none none; border-top-color: rgb(181, 196, 223); border-top-width: 1pt; padding: 3pt 0in 0in;" class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><b class=""><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif;" class="">From:</span></b><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif;" class=""><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Owen DeLong [<a href="mailto:owen@delong.com" class="">mailto:owen@delong.com</a>]<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class=""><b class="">Sent:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Tuesday, June 21, 2016 2:21 AM<br class=""><b class="">To:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Christopher Mwangi<br class=""><b class="">Cc:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Danny; Sander Steffann; rpd List<br class=""><b class="">Subject:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [rpd] Draft inbound policy<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class="">In that case, why didn’t you handle the case where they merge into a non-African holding company too?<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class="">Owen<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div class=""><blockquote style="margin-top: 5pt; margin-bottom: 5pt;" class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class="">On Jun 19, 2016, at 02:00 , Christopher Mwangi <<a href="mailto:christopher.mwangi@liquidtelecom.com" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">christopher.mwangi@liquidtelecom.com</a>> wrote:<o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class="">Hi Danny,<br class=""><br class="">An example would be Mergers and acquisition where an organization wanted to consolidate all resources (IPs and ASNs) into an African holding company. <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class=""><br class="">So we thought of having this one policy that all inclusive and takes care of that.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class=""><br class="">Thanks<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="">Christopher<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class="MsoNormal" align="center" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; text-align: center;"><hr size="2" width="98%" align="center" class=""></div><div id="divRplyFwdMsg" class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><b class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">From:</span></b><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Danny <<a href="mailto:afahounko@gmail.com" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">afahounko@gmail.com</a>><br class=""><b class="">Sent:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Saturday, June 18, 2016 2:00:16 PM<br class=""><b class="">To:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Sander Steffann<br class=""><b class="">Cc:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>rpd List<br class=""><b class="">Subject:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [rpd] Draft inbound policy</span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""> <o:p class=""></o:p></div></div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class="">Hello Andrews,<br class="">We all agreed that IPv6 is the way to go (IPv4 depletion, no NAT, etc..).<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class="">In real use case what situation can force an infrastructure based in Afrinic region to use IPv6 ressources from other regions? And we all know that IPv6 by design can scale and cover almost all new generation infrastructures.<br class="">Unless your policy draft is only about Ipv4?<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class="">Regards,<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br class="">Danny<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class="">On Jun 18, 2016 6:57 AM, "Sander Steffann" <<a href="mailto:sander@steffann.nl" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">sander@steffann.nl</a>> wrote:<o:p class=""></o:p></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 12pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;">Hi Kris,<br class=""><br class="">> @Sander : What are the key provisions of the outbound policy in Ripe? or is there a two way policy already in place?<br class=""><br class="">Our policy is very simple:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="https://www.ripe.net/publications/docs/ripe-644" target="_blank" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">https://www.ripe.net/publications/docs/ripe-644</a><br class=""><br class="">RIPE currently has a policy that can work both ways, we work with whatever the other RIR requires. For transfers from the RIPE region we basically require that the outbound transfer conforms to the RIPE policy. For example: there are resources that cannot be transferred within 24 months of the seller getting them, to prevent people from getting or buying addresses and then selling them on immediately. Such restriction obviously still apply.<br class=""><br class="">Roughly: if the transfer would be valid for a RIPE->RIPE transfer, it will also be valid for RIPE->OTHER-RIR transfers.<br class=""><br class="">Cheers,<br class="">Sander<br class=""><br class=""><br class="">_______________________________________________<br class="">RPD mailing list<br class=""><a href="mailto:RPD@afrinic.net" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">RPD@afrinic.net</a><br class=""><a href="https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/rpd" target="_blank" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/rpd</a><o:p class=""></o:p></p></div></div></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class="">_______________________________________________<br class="">RPD mailing list<br class=""><a href="mailto:RPD@afrinic.net" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">RPD@afrinic.net</a><br class=""><a href="https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/rpd" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/rpd</a></div></div></blockquote></div></div></div></div></blockquote></div><br class=""></div></body></html>