<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><br class=""><div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Jun 16, 2016, at 8:58 PM, Owen DeLong <<a href="mailto:owen@delong.com" class="">owen@delong.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=utf-8" class=""><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><br class=""><div class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Jun 16, 2016, at 01:26 , Evelyn Namara <<a href="mailto:evelyngeek@gmail.com" class="">evelyngeek@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class=""><div class=""><div class="">Andrew,<br class=""><br class=""></div>It is not guaranteed that if Farmer 3 gets all the fuel he needs he will then supply to all customers of 3, 2, 1. He may have his hidden agendas and supply his own customers and the rest of the customers will not be fed well.<br class=""><br class=""></div>Every farmer knows how they deal with their customers, you can not come in as farmer 3 and know all the needs of my customers.<br class=""><br class=""></div>IPV4 will NOT rot (In summary)<br class=""></div></div></blockquote><div class=""><br class=""></div>One could actually make a legitimate case that IPv4 is already rotting. Sure, it has value today as the majority of the internet remains on IPv4 today. However, the rate of IPv4 adoption has certainly been slowing and the rate of IPv6 adoption accelerating. At some point, IPv6 will be the majority of the internet and the value/usefulness of IPv4 will approximate that of rotten vegetables… We might be able to apply it as a fertilizer to something, but it will be of little value and it will smell pretty bad.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">When I talk about pulling the plug on IPv4 life support, I’m not talking about destroying the existing IPv4 internet. I’m talking about no longer expanding it. Not putting more customers behind more layers of IPv4 NAT without an IPv6 solution in place. Not creating more problems for us to have to upgrade later as the world moves to IPv6.</div></div></div></blockquote><div><br class=""></div><div>Here, CGN is part of "normal" Internet life. The worry is more from those over there(probably not on this list) who are going for CGN, stack of NAT, 96-bit NAT,etc.. instead of IPV6.</div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">There’s simply no excuse today for building out an IPv4-only network.</div></div></div></blockquote><div><br class=""></div><div>We knew this since RFC1933 (1996), even before, but did not make happen.</div><div><br class=""></div><div>So let me propose an IPv6 plan for AFRICA from AFRINIC perspective:</div><div><br class=""></div><div>1- Lets adopt the Soft landing proposal which imposes IPv6 ressources(PA or PI) before IPv4 allocation.</div><div><br class=""></div><div>It will stop people for getting IPv4 without requesting IPV6. It also make members/users work on IPv6 plans to convince their parent LIRs or to meet the assignment and allocation criteria specified in the policies*</div><div><br class=""></div><div>2- Lets adopt the Audit/review policy to describe how AFRINIC shall proceed with auditing members ressources utilisation(IPv6 in this case) and tell compliance level and issues/reasons of non-deployment of IPv6.</div><div><br class=""></div><div>3- Lets request AFRINIC R&D team to do an IPV6 readiness analysis per member:</div><div><br class=""></div><div>- IPv6 allocation/assignments in Whois</div><div>- Route6 objects in the IRR</div><div>- Routing policy in the IRR</div><div>- IPv6 prefixes in the routing table</div><div>- IP6.arpa sub-domains delegation</div><div>- DNS over IPv6</div><div>- Org web site over IPv6</div><div>- Etc…</div><div><br class=""></div><div>And rank members based on their IPv6 readiness. It will tell where we are and may help folks making decisions. </div><div><br class=""></div><div>Does it sound like a good plan ?</div><div><br class=""></div><div><br class=""></div><div>*<a href="http://www.afrinic.net/en/library/policies/132-afpub-2007-v6-001" class="">http://www.afrinic.net/en/library/policies/132-afpub-2007-v6-001</a></div><div><a href="http://www.afrinic.net/en/library/policies/122-afpub-2013-v6-001" class="">http://www.afrinic.net/en/library/policies/122-afpub-2013-v6-001</a></div><div><br class=""></div><div><br class=""></div><div>—Alain</div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Owen</div><div class=""><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><br class=""></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br class=""><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Jun 16, 2016 at 10:37 AM, Andrew Alston <span dir="ltr" class=""><<a href="mailto:Andrew.Alston@liquidtelecom.com" target="_blank" class="">Andrew.Alston@liquidtelecom.com</a>></span> wrote:<br class=""><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<div class=""><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri" class="">The IPv4 may not rot, but the customers at the market will still be going hungry because we’re trying to be fair to the farmers – and people will still starve.<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri" class=""><u class=""></u> <u class=""></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri" class="">Andrew<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri" class=""><u class=""></u> <u class=""></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri" class=""><u class=""></u> <u class=""></u></span></p>
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</span><span style="" class=""><u class=""></u><u class=""></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri;" class="">Farmer 3 has a working truck.</span><span style="" class=""><u class=""></u><u class=""></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri;" class=""> </span><span style="" class=""><u class=""></u><u class=""></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri;" class="">It’s going to take a month before Farmer 1 and Farmer 2 have their trucks repaired, and the vegetables only last a week before they go bad.</span><span style="" class=""><u class=""></u><u class=""></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri;" class=""> </span><span style="" class=""><u class=""></u><u class=""></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri;" class="">Do we, a.) Say that in the interest of fairness to the farmers, we let Farmer 3 make 1 trip, and then for the next 3 weeks, Farmer 1, 2 and 3 have all their vegetables go bad
while the people at the markets all starve or b.) Do we say, we have one working truck, that can deliver to the markets, he is in a position to feed the people at that market, so, let him have the fuel he needs to do that, so at least some people get fed,
even if Farmer 1 and 2 are disadvantaged?</span><span style="" class=""><u class=""></u><u class=""></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri;" class=""> </span><span style="" class=""><u class=""></u><u class=""></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri;" class="">In my view, it’s a clear cut thing, Farmer 1 gets the fuel, because not giving it to him hurts the people far more than giving it to him and letting him deliver every vegetable
he can.</span><span style="" class=""><u class=""></u><u class=""></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri;" class=""> </span><span style="" class=""><u class=""></u><u class=""></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri;" class="">Let those who can use it have it, so long as its used for the advantage of the African community – do not artificially constrain things and hurt everyone just to try and be
“fair”</span><span style="" class=""><u class=""></u><u class=""></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri;" class=""> </span><span style="" class=""><u class=""></u><u class=""></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri;" class="">Andrew</span><span style="" class=""><u class=""></u><u class=""></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri;" class=""> </span><span style="" class=""><u class=""></u><u class=""></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri;" class=""> </span><span style="" class=""><u class=""></u><u class=""></u></span></p>
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<b class="">To: </b>Owen DeLong <<a href="mailto:owen@delong.com" target="_blank" class="">owen@delong.com</a>><br class="">
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> Agreed… I have 31 panels on my roof generating approximately 108% of my total electrical needs and feeding the excess back to the power utility in my area. (I use about 1.2kw average consumption and my solar system generates about 6.5kW peak output about
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