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<p><font face="Consolas">Hi Alain,</font><br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 6/17/16 4:30 PM, ALAIN AINA wrote:<br>
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<div class="">There’s simply no excuse today for building
out an IPv4-only network.</div>
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<div>We knew this since RFC1933 (1996), even before, but did not
make happen.</div>
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<div>So let me propose an IPv6 plan for AFRICA from AFRINIC
perspective:</div>
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<div>1- Lets adopt the Soft landing proposal which imposes IPv6
ressources(PA or PI) before IPv4 allocation.</div>
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<div>It will stop people for getting IPv4 without requesting
IPV6. It also make members/users work on IPv6 plans to
convince their parent LIRs or to meet the assignment and
allocation criteria specified in the policies*</div>
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I agree with this. As much as this will not guarantee the IPv6
uptake/usage, it is a better approach that might improve the
uptake..now this is SOFTER..<br>
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<div>2- Lets adopt the Audit/review policy to describe how
AFRINIC shall proceed with auditing members ressources
utilisation(IPv6 in this case) and tell compliance level and
issues/reasons of non-deployment of IPv6.</div>
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+1<br>
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<div>3- Lets request AFRINIC R&D team to do an IPV6
readiness analysis per member:</div>
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<div>- IPv6 allocation/assignments in Whois</div>
<div>- Route6 objects in the IRR</div>
<div>- Routing policy in the IRR</div>
<div>- IPv6 prefixes in the routing table</div>
<div>- IP6.arpa sub-domains delegation</div>
<div>- DNS over IPv6</div>
<div>- Org web site over IPv6</div>
<div>- Etc…</div>
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In agreement with this.<br>
Just to add that Telcos will also play a part to Evangelize this to
their downstream customers. And as end users on networks , we will
require to mount pressure on our providers who do not run IPv6. <br>
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<div>And rank members based on their IPv6 readiness. It will
tell where we are and may help folks making decisions. </div>
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<div>Does it sound like a good plan ?</div>
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<div>*<a moz-do-not-send="true"
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<div><a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.afrinic.net/en/library/policies/122-afpub-2013-v6-001"
class="">http://www.afrinic.net/en/library/policies/122-afpub-2013-v6-001</a></div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Jun 16, 2016 at
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class="">The IPv4 may not rot, but the
customers at the market will still be
going hungry because we’re trying to
be fair to the farmers – and people
will still starve.</span></p>
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</b><span style="font-family:
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<b class="">Date: </b>Thursday, 16
June 2016 at 10:30 AM<br class="">
<b class="">To: </b>Andrew Alston
<<a moz-do-not-send="true"
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Noah <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
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<b class="">Subject: </b>Re: [rpd]
Statistics on IPV4 allocation in
Africa as of 2016</div>
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I like the
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analogys to the
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
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here is that the v4
will not rot and that
those who have and
want more should be
encouraged to only get
V6 if they want
additional resources.
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think this would offer
a win-win outcome for
all those in the
region.</span></p>
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class="">On 6/16/16, 10:20
AM, "Andrew Alston" <<a
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
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class="">Lets say
hypothetically we have 3
farmers, and they all
have vegetables to
deliver to 3 different
markets. The people at
the markets are hungry
and waiting for the
vegetables.</span><span
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
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class="">There is fuel,
and hypothetically, it
could get all 3 farmers
trucks to the market,
but only one trip each.</span><span
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
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class="">Farmer 1 has a
truck – except it has no
tyres</span><span
style="" class=""></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size: 11pt;
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class="">Farmer 2 has a
truck - except its
battery is dead
</span><span style=""
class=""></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size: 11pt;
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class="">Farmer 3 has a
working truck.</span><span
style="" class=""></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
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class="">It’s going to
take a month before
Farmer 1 and Farmer 2
have their trucks
repaired, and the
vegetables only last a
week before they go bad.</span><span
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
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class="">Do we, a.) Say
that in the interest of
fairness to the farmers,
we let Farmer 3 make 1
trip, and then for the
next 3 weeks, Farmer 1,
2 and 3 have all their
vegetables go bad while
the people at the
markets all starve or
b.) Do we say, we have
one working truck, that
can deliver to the
markets, he is in a
position to feed the
people at that market,
so, let him have the
fuel he needs to do
that, so at least some
people get fed, even if
Farmer 1 and 2 are
disadvantaged?</span><span
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
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class="">In my view,
it’s a clear cut thing,
Farmer 1 gets the fuel,
because not giving it to
him hurts the people far
more than giving it to
him and letting him
deliver every vegetable
he can.</span><span
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
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class="">Let those who
can use it have it, so
long as its used for the
advantage of the African
community – do not
artificially constrain
things and hurt everyone
just to try and be
“fair”</span><span
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<b class="">Date: </b>Thursday,
16 June 2016 at 8:36
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<b class="">To: </b>Owen
DeLong <<a
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List <<a
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<b class="">Subject: </b>Re:
[rpd] Statistics on
IPV4 allocation in
Africa as of 2016</span><span
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On 16 Jun 2016
03:51, "Owen DeLong"
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wrote:<br class="">
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>> On Jun 15,
2016, at 12:33 ,
Noah <<a
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wrote:<br class="">
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>><br class="">
>> On 15 Jun
2016 22:03, "Owen
DeLong" <<a
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wrote:<br class="">
>> ><br
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>> ><br
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Instead, the best
thing is for all of
us to recognize that
IPv4 has become
unsustainable and
stop depending on
its continued
availability.<br
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>><br class="">
>> We can
similarly recognise
that Crude Oil
fossils and their
byproducts Diesel
and Petrol [IPv4]
are unsustainable a
d stop depending on
their continued
availability.<br
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>><br class="">
>> We should
all go for Solar
Energy [IPv6] after
all the Sun is so
abundant in supply
and everyone will
have unlimited
energy through
solar.<br class="">
><br class="">
><br class="">
> Agreed… I have
31 panels on my roof
generating
approximately 108%
of my total
electrical needs and
feeding the excess
back to the power
utility in my area.
(I use about 1.2kw
average consumption
and my solar system
generates about
6.5kW peak output
about 5-6 hours per
day during summer).<br
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> How about you?<br
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<p class=""><span
style="" class="">Needless
to say, am sure you
got my point. :-) </span></p>
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Owen<br class="">
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