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<body class='hmmessage'><div dir='ltr'>i do agree........and i don't see any danger for any services or service providers who wont get additional v4 space because they will get plenty v6 .....they can simply do dual stacking.... whereby users/devices and things with v4 (public and/or private) that are currently accessing these services sitting on public v4 will get v6 and continue accessing those services......<br><br>i do feel (optimistic) like this time around v6 will be adopted and deployed at least by 55% of the whole IP network within our region in the coming 10 years.<br><br>UNLESS there is any issues on v6 which wont allow FULL migration...........<br><br> <br>
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<em><font face="Comic Sans MS" color="#1f497d">cell:+255-78-447-8387</font></em><br><br><br><div><hr id="stopSpelling">From: seun.ojedeji@gmail.com<br>Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2016 09:53:29 +0100<br>To: evelyngeek@gmail.com<br>CC: rpd@afrinic.net<br>Subject: Re: [rpd] Statistics on IPV4 allocation in Africa as of 2016<br><br><div dir="ltr"><div><div><div>Hello People,<br><br></div>At the moment, the v4 space is less than 0.6 of a /8 before we hit soft-landing. This gives an indication that we are already depleting v4 steadily and significantly even as we speak and deliberate. Once we hit soft-landing and implementation of the current policy would imply that big providers requiring huge v4 space would naturally embrace v6 since the current soft-landing policy will not meet their needs. <br><br></div>Overall, i think the need for the phrase "rapid depletion" may not be so important once we hit final /8 as the focus will start tending towards v6 for major players since they won't be able to get enough v4 resource they require anyway.<br><br></div>Regards<br></div><div class="ecxgmail_extra"><br><div class="ecxgmail_quote">On Thu, Jun 16, 2016 at 9:26 AM, Evelyn Namara <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:evelyngeek@gmail.com" target="_blank">evelyngeek@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="ecxgmail_quote" style="border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;"><div dir="ltr"><div><div><div>Andrew,<br><br></div>It is not guaranteed that if Farmer 3 gets all the fuel he needs he will then supply to all customers of 3, 2, 1. He may have his hidden agendas and supply his own customers and the rest of the customers will not be fed well.<br><br></div>Every farmer knows how they deal with their customers, you can not come in as farmer 3 and know all the needs of my customers.<br><br></div>IPV4 will NOT rot (In summary)<br><br></div><div class="ecxgmail_extra"><div><div class="h5"><br><div class="ecxgmail_quote">On Thu, Jun 16, 2016 at 10:37 AM, Andrew Alston <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:Andrew.Alston@liquidtelecom.com" target="_blank">Andrew.Alston@liquidtelecom.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="ecxgmail_quote" style="border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
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<p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;">The IPv4 may not rot, but the customers at the market will still be going hungry because we’re trying to be fair to the farmers – and people will still starve.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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</b><span style="font-family:Calibri;color:black;">Badru Ntege <<a href="mailto:badru.ntege@nftconsult.com" target="_blank">badru.ntege@nftconsult.com</a>><br>
<b>Date: </b>Thursday, 16 June 2016 at 10:30 AM<br>
<b>To: </b>Andrew Alston <<a href="mailto:Andrew.Alston@liquidtelecom.com" target="_blank">Andrew.Alston@liquidtelecom.com</a>>, Noah <<a href="mailto:noah@neo.co.tz" target="_blank">noah@neo.co.tz</a>>, Owen DeLong <<a href="mailto:owen@delong.com" target="_blank">owen@delong.com</a>></span></p><div><div><br>
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<b>Subject: </b>Re: [rpd] Statistics on IPV4 allocation in Africa as of 2016<u></u><u></u></div></div><BR>
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<p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Calibri;color:black;">Difference here is that the v4 will not rot and that those who have and want more should be encouraged to only get V6 if they want additional resources. <u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Calibri;color:black;">I think this would offer a win-win outcome for all those in the region.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Calibri;color:black;">On 6/16/16, 10:20 AM, "Andrew Alston" <<a href="mailto:Andrew.Alston@liquidtelecom.com" target="_blank">Andrew.Alston@liquidtelecom.com</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:black;">Lets say hypothetically we have 3 farmers, and they all have vegetables to deliver to 3 different markets. The people at the markets are hungry and waiting for the vegetables.</span><span style="color:black;"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:black;">There is fuel, and hypothetically, it could get all 3 farmers trucks to the market, but only one trip each.</span><span style="color:black;"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:black;">Farmer 1 has a truck – except it has no tyres</span><span style="color:black;"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:black;">Farmer 3 has a working truck.</span><span style="color:black;"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:black;">It’s going to take a month before Farmer 1 and Farmer 2 have their trucks repaired, and the vegetables only last a week before they go bad.</span><span style="color:black;"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:black;">Do we, a.) Say that in the interest of fairness to the farmers, we let Farmer 3 make 1 trip, and then for the next 3 weeks, Farmer 1, 2 and 3 have all their vegetables go bad
while the people at the markets all starve or b.) Do we say, we have one working truck, that can deliver to the markets, he is in a position to feed the people at that market, so, let him have the fuel he needs to do that, so at least some people get fed,
even if Farmer 1 and 2 are disadvantaged?</span><span style="color:black;"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:black;">In my view, it’s a clear cut thing, Farmer 1 gets the fuel, because not giving it to him hurts the people far more than giving it to him and letting him deliver every vegetable
he can.</span><span style="color:black;"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:black;">Let those who can use it have it, so long as its used for the advantage of the African community – do not artificially constrain things and hurt everyone just to try and be
“fair”</span><span style="color:black;"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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</b><span style="font-family:Calibri;color:black;">Noah <<a href="mailto:noah@neo.co.tz" target="_blank">noah@neo.co.tz</a>><br>
<b>Date: </b>Thursday, 16 June 2016 at 8:36 AM<br>
<b>To: </b>Owen DeLong <<a href="mailto:owen@delong.com" target="_blank">owen@delong.com</a>><br>
<b>Cc: </b>rpd List <<a href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net" target="_blank">rpd@afrinic.net</a>><br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: [rpd] Statistics on IPV4 allocation in Africa as of 2016</span><span style="color:black;"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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On 16 Jun 2016 03:51, "Owen DeLong" <<a href="mailto:owen@delong.com" target="_blank">owen@delong.com</a>> wrote:<br>
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>> On Jun 15, 2016, at 12:33 , Noah <<a href="mailto:noah@neo.co.tz" target="_blank">noah@neo.co.tz</a>> wrote:<br>
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>> On 15 Jun 2016 22:03, "Owen DeLong" <<a href="mailto:owen@delong.com" target="_blank">owen@delong.com</a>> wrote:<br>
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>> > Instead, the best thing is for all of us to recognize that IPv4 has become unsustainable and stop depending on its continued availability.<br>
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>> We can similarly recognise that Crude Oil fossils and their byproducts Diesel and Petrol [IPv4] are unsustainable a d stop depending on their continued availability.<br>
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>> We should all go for Solar Energy [IPv6] after all the Sun is so abundant in supply and everyone will have unlimited energy through solar.<br>
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> Agreed… I have 31 panels on my roof generating approximately 108% of my total electrical needs and feeding the excess back to the power utility in my area. (I use about 1.2kw average consumption and my solar system generates about 6.5kW peak output about
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<span style="color:black;">Needless to say, am sure you got my point. :-) <u></u>
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