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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:"Maiandra GD",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">I tried to translate my view :<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><i><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:"Maiandra GD",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">It's heard. Francophones make this effort of translation of documents and enrichment and policies, but everything must be done
under the leadership of Board, it must be emphasized. The Board itself is full of people of all languages, it should from there ...<o:p></o:p></span></i></b></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Maiandra GD",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">C’est donc sous l’impulsion du Board que tout devrait partir…et compris du volontariat !<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:21.3pt;text-indent:-7.1pt"><b><span style="font-family:"Century Gothic",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"> Serges Patrick GHANSAH-GNONKOTO</span></b><b><span style="font-family:"Century Gothic",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">De :</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Seun Ojedeji [mailto:seun.ojedeji@gmail.com]
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<b>Envoyé :</b> lundi 28 décembre 2015 16:01<br>
<b>À :</b> GH.-GNONKOTO Serges PATRICK <gnonkoto.patrick@artci.ci><br>
<b>Cc :</b> rpd <rpd@afrinic.net>; Borg <virtual.borg@gmail.com><br>
<b>Objet :</b> RE: [rpd] Improving participation of francophone and arab country (was Re: Contents of RPD digest...")<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p>Hello Serge,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>With the help of translating tool, I read your comment as saying "that the board has various language representation hence document translation et all must happen under board leadership."<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>Assuming the translation tool did a good job (I have learnt that 1% of inaccuracy of translation could change the whole meaning of a sentence), then I think it's important to note that translation is not cheap and I don't think anyone would discourage translation
but it is the level of access to resources that would determine how much translation can be done at organisation level.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>That said, there are lots that can be done as individual/group community member as well. For instance if you have a local community, you may take the discussions/policies to the local arena where local language (French) speakers can feel more comfortable
sharing and then summaries of those discussions can be brought to the rpd list. I don't think it's helpful/appropriate to blame the level of translation on board, the board diversity is not for language reasons but more for diversity of views and experience
for the overall development of the organisation.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>Regards<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Dec 28, 2015 4:04 PM, "GH.-GNONKOTO Serges PATRICK" <<a href="mailto:gnonkoto.patrick@artci.ci">gnonkoto.patrick@artci.ci</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-family:"Maiandra GD",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">C’est entendu. Les francophones feront cet effort de traduction des documents et d’enrichissement et de politiques,
mais tout devra se faire sous l’impulsion du Board, il faut le souligner. Le Board en lui-même regorge des personnes de toutes langues, ça devrait donc partir de là…</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">De :</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Seun Ojedeji [mailto:<a href="mailto:seun.ojedeji@gmail.com" target="_blank">seun.ojedeji@gmail.com</a>]
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<b>Envoyé :</b> lundi 28 décembre 2015 14:33<br>
<b>À :</b> Borg <<a href="mailto:virtual.borg@gmail.com" target="_blank">virtual.borg@gmail.com</a>><br>
<b>Cc :</b> rpd <<a href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net" target="_blank">rpd@afrinic.net</a>>; GH.-GNONKOTO Serges PATRICK <<a href="mailto:gnonkoto.patrick@artci.ci" target="_blank">gnonkoto.patrick@artci.ci</a>><br>
<b>Objet :</b> Re: [rpd] Improving participation of francophone and arab country (was Re: Contents of RPD digest...")</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p>Hello Chevalier, all<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>I like to note that there is usually efforts to communicate in other languages at AFRINIC meetings, that's why we have the translators. In as much as communication in other languages is important, I think we should all recognise that it should be for the
intent of understanding one another. Many(if not all) countries in Africa does not have English as their mother tongue, but it has become the "informal" official language that many understands/speaks and as such official for this region's internet registry.
Since it's important to communicate to as many part of the community as much as possible.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>So as we communicate in French/or any other language of choice, please bear in mind that the goal is not just to communicate to yourself, but rather to communicate with the entire community. If you have the skills to write in multiple languages then I encourage
you do so, this could improve the quality of our policies as we will get more diverse technical experiences that could impact upon the different policies under discussion.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>Regards<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">On Dec 28, 2015 1:19 PM, "Chevalier du Borg" <<a href="mailto:virtual.borg@gmail.com" target="_blank">virtual.borg@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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Le 28 décembre 2015 à 15:06, GH.-GNONKOTO Serges PATRICK<br>
<<a href="mailto:gnonkoto.patrick@artci.ci" target="_blank">gnonkoto.patrick@artci.ci</a>> a écrit :<br>
> Je crois que ce débat comme dit Borg a commencé. OK. Soit en passant, je déplore que des francophones s'expriment en anglais juste pour faire plaisir aux anglophones au détriment des francophones ? Cela s'est vérifié à Pointe-Noire où la quasi-totalité des
intervenants se sont exprimé en anglais, chose que j'ai dénoncé auprès du staff d'AFRINIC. On était bien dans un pays francophone !<br>
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I agree with you here. afrinic has french-speaking staff. it should be<br>
common-sense for those staff to present in french rather than english<br>
when in a french country (even if slides are in english). it shows<br>
sensitivity to the environment.<br>
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but that not enough. there was call for presentations. i wonder how<br>
many franchophones submitted a talk and we were in a french speaking<br>
country.<br>
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> De plus, je crois que Borg essaie de nous faire passer le message d'arrêter de pleurnicher ! Alors montrons-nous capables de nous exprimer dans nos langues officielles, que d'essayer de jouer les Shakespear.<br>
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merci. you get my point.<br>
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Désormais je parle en français, si mon interlocuteur ne comprend pas,<br>
tant pis pour lui ???<br>
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anyone who wants to will find a means to understand. in worst case, if<br>
enough people ask .for translation or universal translator .... the<br>
power that be will do something.<br>
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> Le vrai débat, il faut le soulever devant le board et prendre des décisions courageuses !<br>
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le board ne dépasse pas une communauté engagé. la communauté doit<br>
d'abord s'exprimer clairement ....<br>
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a - voici le problem<br>
b - voici l'evidence du problem<br>
c - voice nos propositions pour résoudre ces problèmes<br>
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the fact only 3 - 5 francophone people are taking part in this<br>
discussion is evidence of something<br>
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a - it not really a problem<br>
b - they don't care<br>
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> <a href="http://www.artci.ci" target="_blank">
www.artci.ci</a><br>
> Serges Patrick GHANSAH-GNONKOTO<br>
> Chef de service Gestion des Noms de domaine et Adresses IP<br>
> Direction des Systèmes d’information et des Transactions Electroniques<br>
> Téléphone : <a href="tel:%2B225%2020%2034%2043%2073" target="_blank">+225 20 34 43 73</a> / Poste 7960<br>
> Fax : <a href="tel:%2B225%2020%2034%2043%2075" target="_blank">+225 20 34 43 75</a><br>
> Email : <a href="mailto:gnonkoto.patrick@artci.ci" target="_blank">gnonkoto.patrick@artci.ci</a><br>
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> -----Message d'origine-----<br>
> De : Chevalier du Borg [mailto:<a href="mailto:virtual.borg@gmail.com" target="_blank">virtual.borg@gmail.com</a>]<br>
> Envoyé : lundi 28 décembre 2015 10:55<br>
> À : GH.-GNONKOTO Serges PATRICK <<a href="mailto:gnonkoto.patrick@artci.ci" target="_blank">gnonkoto.patrick@artci.ci</a>><br>
> Cc : TIDJANI Mahamat Adoum <<a href="mailto:mhtguinassou@gmail.com" target="_blank">mhtguinassou@gmail.com</a>>; AfriNIC RPD MList. <<a href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net" target="_blank">rpd@afrinic.net</a>><br>
> Objet : Re: [rpd] Improving participation of francophone and arab country (was Re: Contents of RPD digest...")<br>
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> Le 28 décembre 2015 à 12:42, GH.-GNONKOTO Serges PATRICK <<a href="mailto:gnonkoto.patrick@artci.ci" target="_blank">gnonkoto.patrick@artci.ci</a>> a écrit :<br>
>> Discussion officielle c'est d'ouvrir le débat à une rencontre<br>
>> officielle du board en présence de tous les membres de la community !<br>
>><br>
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> why not start the debate here? the inputs from these mailing list discussion in an "official" debate. last i check,<br>
><br>
> a) anyone in any language can still registered to this mailing list<br>
> b) any one can still post to this mailing list in any language (including french)<br>
> c) no one (anglophone or francophone) ever said "je ne comprends pas ce que Seun/Owen etc a dit, est ce qu'on peut avoir une traduction?"<br>
><br>
> real question: is this really about lack of support for other languages or is it a matter of apathy?<br>
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