<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class="">If I thought that the v4 market would do anything to prevent the black market or increase accuracy of the registry, I might agree with you.<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">However, I don’t think that the transfer policy will significantly reduce the number of off-books misappropriation of resources at all.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Owen</div><div class=""><br class=""><div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Jul 1, 2015, at 14:51 , <a href="mailto:h.lu@anytimechinese.com" class="">h.lu@anytimechinese.com</a> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8" class=""><div dir="auto" class=""><div class="">I believe things will go this way. V4 market--market bubble-v6 picking up-bubble broken everyone is in v6, so v4 market, is a necessary and temporary measurement to prevent black market as well help the accuracy of the registry during the transition period. I partly agree Owen, it prevent companies returning the IPv4 to the free pool(unless they get tax credit shareholder will question such action if there is a market value to it). But on the other hand, we are not going back to free pool of v4 anyway.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">That being said, I personally believe it is way too earlier for Africa to consider such policy, other than create speculation in the Afrinic free pools, I see no benefits to consider such policy at this time.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">If there is a real need, maybe we can talk in the future.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Americans have far too many address than what they need and most of their operators will be in v6 this year or last, maybe at the time we consider ipv4 transfer policy in Africa, IPv4 will become worthless, so let's wait.<br class=""><br class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class="">On 1 Jul, 2015, at 5:28 pm, Owen DeLong <<a href="mailto:owen@delong.com" class="">owen@delong.com</a>> wrote:<br class=""><br class=""></div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=us-ascii" class="">There are definitely unused addresses in various places that could be transferred to those that need them.<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Ideally, people would simply do the right thing and return those addresses. In reality, in some cases, there is effort required to free up those addresses, so it is hoped that by allowing for paid transfers, that work may get incentivized. Unfortunate side effect, now that there is a price on addresses for transfer, there are all kinds of economic incentives to do bad things to maximize revenue potential from address hoarding.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Overall, I think that transfers were a bad idea. However, my opinion was overtaken by legal realities and other concerns and we did adopt a transfer policy.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">In the end, moving to IPv6 resolves all of that mess. Hopefully the bottom will fall out of the IPv4 market sooner rather than later as IPv6 adoption proceeds.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Hopefully.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Owen</div><div class=""><br class=""><div class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Jul 1, 2015, at 13:51 , Noah <<a href="mailto:noah@neo.co.tz" class="">noah@neo.co.tz</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><p dir="ltr" class=""><br class="">
On 1 Jul 2015 20:55, "Seun Ojedeji" <<a href="mailto:seun.ojedeji@gmail.com" class="">seun.ojedeji@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br class="">
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> With ARIN getting close to end of it's v4 addresses, it recently activated an interesting policy that attempts to address requests that are beyond available IP block in ARIN's pool.<br class="">
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> <a href="https://www.arin.net/announcements/2015/20150701.html" class="">https://www.arin.net/announcements/2015/20150701.html</a><br class="">
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> - Will be good to see our region preparing for such day as well<br class="">
> - Will be good to see new policies emerge as a result of the emerging global realities.<br class="">
></p><p dir="ltr" class="">Indeed why not...preps are a good start...</p><p dir="ltr" class="">However, the reality on the ground is different...its obvious that Internet development is still at lower % in our continent generally due to so many socioeconomic constraints and as such, these kind of policies can only see light after some good years to be honest...</p><p dir="ltr" class="">PS: I found that "transfer market" alternative rather interesting considering the gossip that v4 is finished but only in the AfriNIC service region...[ is ARIN suggesting that in North America region...folk still have addresses not fully used at all and as such can be transferred to those who readily need them ].</p><p dir="ltr" class="">Cheers </p><p dir="ltr" class="">Noah<br class="">
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