On Sunday, June 7, 2015, Owen DeLong <<a href="mailto:owen@delong.com">owen@delong.com</a>> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><br>
I agree that downloading the archive was poor judgment. I think if you were to ask the gentleman in question you would find that he might think twice about doing this next time he encounters a similar situation.</blockquote><div><br></div><div>What makes you think that?</div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><br>
I agree. However, in that case you are depriving the owner of the property access to his things. In this case, the contents of the list were copied, not taken. </blockquote><div><br></div><div>It's the same; we are dealing with immaterial properties here. Unauthorized copying is theft. </div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">I’m don’t see this as a meaningful difference, but I can see how men of good conscience could disagree with me about it.<br>
<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Here is one who disagrees with you.</div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><br>
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The board member seeking re-election did not download the data. He received a copy in email from the person who did download it. He did not solicit it. He did not read the email and deleted it without reviewing the contents.</blockquote><div><br></div><div>Can you provide any evidence for this?</div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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I do not think there are any ethical issues with the conduct of Mr. Elkins in this matter.</blockquote><div><br></div><div>Your assessment.</div><div><br></div><div>Boubakar</div><div> <span></span></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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> On 6/7/15 6:09 PM, Mark Elkins wrote:<br>
>> The gent who found the hole...<br>
>> 1 - considers that I have honor and integrity<br>
>> 2 - knows that I served last year as Chair of NomCom<br>
>> 3 - knows I have a technical background<br>
>> 4 - may know me better on a personal basis, better than most other Board<br>
>> Members<br>
>> 5 - knows I will do the right thing.<br>
>><br>
>> Perhaps there was nothing odd with his action at all?<br>
>><br>
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>> On 07 Jun 2015, at 12:19, Boubakar Barry <<a href="javascript:;" onclick="_e(event, 'cvml', 'boubakarbarry@gmail.com')">boubakarbarry@gmail.com</a><br>
>> <mailto:<a href="javascript:;" onclick="_e(event, 'cvml', 'boubakarbarry@gmail.com')">boubakarbarry@gmail.com</a>>> wrote:<br>
>><br>
>>> The most odd thing in this is the sharing of the archives with<br>
>>> _selected_ Board members. If there were no malicious intent, alerting<br>
>>> the CEO would have sufficed.<br>
>>><br>
>>> Boubakar<br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>> On Sun, Jun 7, 2015 at 6:36 AM, Noah <<a href="javascript:;" onclick="_e(event, 'cvml', 'noah@neo.co.tz')">noah@neo.co.tz</a><br>
>>> <mailto:<a href="javascript:;" onclick="_e(event, 'cvml', 'noah@neo.co.tz')">noah@neo.co.tz</a>>> wrote:<br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>> On 7 Jun 2015 08:11, "Sunday Folayan" <<a href="javascript:;" onclick="_e(event, 'cvml', 'sunday.folayan@afrinic.net')">sunday.folayan@afrinic.net</a><br>
>>> <mailto:<a href="javascript:;" onclick="_e(event, 'cvml', 'sunday.folayan@afrinic.net')">sunday.folayan@afrinic.net</a>>> wrote:<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> On 07/06/2015 06:40, Noah wrote:<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>>> I do not know which copy of the archive has been privately circulated in<br>
>>>>> the community, and I do not expect to discover that.<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> That is why i adviced the board chair Sunday to next time be clear rather<br>
>>>>> than reporting things to the community without concrete evidence else it<br>
>>>>> sends a wrong message.<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> I thought it was more reasonable to notify the community instead of<br>
>>>> waiting for concrete evidence which may then be misconstrued as 1.<br>
>>>> concealment or 2. Living in denial.<br>
>>><br>
>>> You know someone once told the world there were WMD in some<br>
>>> country. It was attacked and some years after no WMD were ever<br>
>>> found but the damage was done.<br>
>>><br>
>>> The message i have been trying to send without living this seems<br>
>>> like some small issue is that....<br>
>>><br>
>>> "Privacy breach of nomcom2015's Mailing List"<br>
>>><br>
>>> VS<br>
>>><br>
>>> "Configuration error which could lead to access of a private maillist"<br>
>>><br>
>>> Are two different things.....<br>
>>><br>
>>>> From: ...<br>
>>>> <a href="https://privacyassociation.org/media/pdf/resource_center/Data_Breach_Response_Whitepaper.pdf" target="_blank">https://privacyassociation.org/media/pdf/resource_center/Data_Breach_Response_Whitepaper.pdf</a><br>
>>>> ... I understand that the acceptable standard is "immediately".<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> In this case, 1. The Chair made a responsible statement, 2. the<br>
>>>> community got the right message, 3. The CEO is right on top of the<br>
>>>> issue, 4. The AGMM discussed and closed the case.<br>
>>><br>
>>> I rest my case.....<br>
>>><br>
>>>> Cheers.<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> Sunday.<br>
>>>><br>
>>><br>
>>> Cheers<br>
>>><br>
>>> Noah<br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
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