<p dir="ltr">Hello Andrew,</p>
<p dir="ltr">In summary you are saying offshore offices and pops devices will require so much IP resource than the customers being served by the organisation [1]</p>
<p dir="ltr">Cheers!<br>
PS: An individual layman internet user's view.<br>
1. Since you indicated that those international pops are intended for serving this region.</p>
<p dir="ltr">sent from Google nexus 4<br>
kindly excuse brevity and typos.</p>
<div class="gmail_quote">On 22 Oct 2014 13:00, "Andrew Alston" <<a href="mailto:Andrew.Alston@liquidtelecom.com">Andrew.Alston@liquidtelecom.com</a>> wrote:<br type="attribution"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">





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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Hi Seun,<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Let me expand on this slightly.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">If you look at a large international organization serving multiple African countries.  They typically have offices that are off continent as well as on-continent. 
 Those off-shore offices still need IP space and are critical to the functioning of the organizations in question.  Then we have the issues of points of presence internationally, some of which can be pretty large, which include routers, switches, and potentially
 servers which are directly related to the functioning of the network on the African continent. 
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Then we start looking at satellite infrastructure, where an organization is providing satellite access to customers in Africa, the satellite base stations potentially
 sit in Europe, the space is handed out from Europe to clients on the ground (often dynamically), but it is routed via Europe because of the way Sattelite works.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">There are simply too many possibilities and my view is that the policy as proposed doesn’t take these into account.  It also doesn’t address how we define in-region
 vs out-of-region usage.  The numbers in the policy with regards to the split between in-region and out-of-region are also unquantified, what lead to these numbers?  What is the reasoning and justification behind them?  Are they just arbitrary numbers we dreamt
 up to put numbers on paper to make people feel good?  Because if we’re going to put numbers like that, my view is, substantiate them, let us, as a community, understand where those numbers came from and what the basis is.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Again, written in my personal capacity and in no way representative of the AfriNIC board positions on the matter.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Thanks<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Andrew<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> Seun Ojedeji [mailto:<a href="mailto:seun.ojedeji@gmail.com" target="_blank">seun.ojedeji@gmail.com</a>]
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<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, October 22, 2014 2:43 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Andrew Alston<br>
<b>Cc:</b> Borg; Victor; AfriNIC RPD MList.<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [rpd] AfriNIC policy AFPUB-2014-GEN-002-DRAFT-01 reject<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Hi Andrew,<br>
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On Wed, Oct 22, 2014 at 8:31 AM, Andrew Alston <<a href="mailto:Andrew.Alston@liquidtelecom.com" target="_blank">Andrew.Alston@liquidtelecom.com</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">(Before writing this, I need to state that what follows is NOT written in my capacity as an AfriNIC
 director nor should it be read as portraying the views of the AfriNIC board in any way shape or form)</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Actually Borg,
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">I can concretely demonstrate that the availability of IPv4 addressing can have an impact on business
 investment.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">Just to be clear, do you think this policy will deny availability of IP resource to organisations that intend to expand their growth in Africa? How will the example below be affected by this policy, if the $200million
 is indeed for growth/expansion within the region?<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Cheers!<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">PS: An individual's layman question.<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><i><span style="font-family:"Garamond","serif";color:#006600">Seun Ojedeji,<br>
Federal University Oye-Ekiti<br>
web:      </span></i><a href="http://www.fuoye.edu.ng" target="_blank"><i><span style="font-family:"Garamond","serif"">http://www.fuoye.edu.ng</span></i></a><i><span style="font-family:"Garamond","serif";color:#888888"><br>
</span></i><i><span style="font-family:"Garamond","serif";color:#006600">Mobile: <a href="tel:%2B2348035233535" value="+2348035233535" target="_blank">+2348035233535</a></span></i><i><span style="font-family:"Garamond","serif";color:#888888"><br>
</span></i><i><span style="font-family:"Garamond","serif";color:#006600">alt email:</span></i><a href="http://goog_1872880453" target="_blank"><i><span style="font-family:"Garamond","serif"">
</span></i></a><a href="mailto:seun.ojedeji@fuoye.edu.ng" target="_blank"><i><span style="font-family:"Garamond","serif"">seun.ojedeji@fuoye.edu.ng</span></i></a><span style="font-family:"Garamond","serif";color:#888888"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Garamond","serif";color:#888888">The key to understanding is humility - my view !<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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