<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto"><div>Hi</div><div><br></div><div>I would rather Africa internet remain open and transparent.<br><br>Kind regards<div><br></div><div>Lu</div></div><div><br>在 2014年10月22日，下午3:31，Andrew Alston <<a href="mailto:Andrew.Alston@liquidtelecom.com">Andrew.Alston@liquidtelecom.com</a>> 写道：<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">(Before writing this, I need to state that what follows is NOT written in my capacity as an AfriNIC director nor should it be read as portraying the views of
the AfriNIC board in any way shape or form)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Actually Borg,
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">I can concretely demonstrate that the availability of IPv4 addressing can have an impact on business investment.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Let me give you an example, since this is already in the media.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Liquid is planning to invest $200 MILLION in African expansion over the next 24 months, this was published here:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><a href="http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-09-11/liquid-telecom-to-invest-200-million-in-african-expansion.html">http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-09-11/liquid-telecom-to-invest-200-million-in-african-expansion.html</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">While we are dual-stacking *<b>everything</b>* with v4 and v6 as a standard rule, like it or not, we still need IPv4 space to do this. (Without v4 addressing,
there are a number of things we cannot accomplish at the moment).<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">This however also raises the debate on the proposed AFPUB-2014-GEN-002-DRAFT-01 policy. On a personal level (and representing Liquid) I oppose this policy,
on the grounds that I do not believe it will actually serve to protect African interests. I have long opposed geographic restrictions on where space can be used by legitimate African entities, for a variety of reasons and will continue to do so. I do not
believe that placing arbitrary numbers (be they 10%, 20% or any other number) on the percentage of space that can be used in region or out of region is a helpful thing to do. Particularly since none of these policies actually contain a proper definition of
what constitutes in-region vs out-of-region use. (For example, if I originate a /16 in Africa via a BGP network statement or via redistribution, the space was originated in Africa, nothing stops me internally using more specifics to keep routing to that space
out of continent though)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">I also believe very strongly that large African multi-nationals that are expanding both in the African region and outside of the African region should be able
to get space for ALL their operations irrespective of where they are geographically based, since the expansion of these companies does benefit Africa as a whole, both in terms of economic growth and in terms of African employment to run equipment located off
continent). <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">But believe me, coming from an environment where having address space is critical to the business, there is a correlation between investment and address space,
and it can be clearly demonstrated.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">I do believe that we need to protect the African resources from being pillaged by non-African entities and IP Brokers. I will strongly support policy that
prevents African resources flowing off continent into the hands of those who have absolutely no link to Africa AND where there is no benefit (quantitative) to the continent. I just do not believe at this point we have a policy proposal that fulfills these
objectives. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Thanks<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Andrew Alston<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:#FDFDFD"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black;background:#FFFAE4">Andrew Alston</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"><br>
<span style="background:#FFFAE4">Head of IP Strategy</span><br>
<span style="background:#FFFAE4">Liquid Telecommunications Limited, 6 New Street Square, London EC4A 3BF</span><br>
<span style="background:#FFFAE4">T: +27 76 219 7933 (ZA) T: +254 733 2222 04 (KE)</span><br>
<span style="background:#FFFAE4">E: </span><a href="mailto:andrew.alston@liquidtelecom.com%3cmailto:andrew.alston@liquidtelecom.com"><span style="background:#FFFAE4">andrew.alston@liquidtelecom.com<mailto:andrew.alston@liquidtelecom.com</span></a><span style="background:#FFFAE4">>
- Skype: symm001</span></span><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> <a href="mailto:rpd-bounces@afrinic.net">rpd-bounces@afrinic.net</a> [<a href="mailto:rpd-bounces@afrinic.net">mailto:rpd-bounces@afrinic.net</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Borg<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, October 22, 2014 9:49 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Victor<br>
<b>Cc:</b> AfriNIC RPD MList.<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [rpd] AfriNIC policy AFPUB-2014-GEN-002-DRAFT-01 reject<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Borg <span class="gingersoftwaremark">le</span> Chevalier<br>
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"Common sense is what tells us the world is flat" <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On 22 October 2014 09:12, Victor <<a href="mailto:kc.touching@gmail.com" target="_blank">kc.touching@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">In my opinion, the proposal itself intended to keep the resources within the region and may prevent business investment in Africa which is not good at all.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">And this gentlemen is red herring, as ridiculous as it is preposterous. Business investment in Afrique that depends on IPv4 addresses??! <span class="gingersoftwaremark">It</span> ok to protect IPv4 business, but please stop pretending
any of this has to do with what is good for Afrique. <o:p></o:p></p>
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