<div dir="ltr"><br><div class="gmail_extra"><br clear="all"><div>Borg le Chevalier<br>___________________________________<br>"Common sense is what tells us the world is flat" </div>
<br><div class="gmail_quote">On 22 October 2014 11:31, Andrew Alston <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:Andrew.Alston@liquidtelecom.com" target="_blank">Andrew.Alston@liquidtelecom.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">(Before writing this, I need to state that what follows is NOT written in my capacity as an AfriNIC director nor should it be read as portraying the views of
the AfriNIC board in any way shape or form)<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">Actually Borg,
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">I can concretely demonstrate that the availability of IPv4 addressing can have an impact on business investment.</span></p></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>Impact, sure. but not determining factor in any significant investment that can be said to be "developing africa". It the arrogance of the statement I mention.</div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"><div lang="EN-US" link="blue" vlink="purple"><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">Let me give you an example, since this is already in the media.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">Liquid is planning to invest $200 MILLION in African expansion over the next 24 months, this was published here:<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"><a href="http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-09-11/liquid-telecom-to-invest-200-million-in-african-expansion.html" target="_blank">http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-09-11/liquid-telecom-to-invest-200-million-in-african-expansion.html</a></span></p></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>Liquid investing $200m in Africa is NOT because of IPv4 address availability, rather it because of market opportunity. I not sure that "availability of IPv4 address" is make or break condition for making such investments. Maybe I'm wrong but i sure that there will still be invesitment in Internet infrastructure in africa with or without IPv4.</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>It is however a good red herring for IPv4 brokers and arrogant IT people who over-value IT in general and IPv4 in particulier.</div><div><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"><div lang="EN-US" link="blue" vlink="purple"><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">While we are dual-stacking *<b>everything</b>* with v4 and v6 as a standard rule, like it or not, we still need IPv4 space to do this. (Without v4 addressing,
there are a number of things we cannot accomplish at the moment).</span></p></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>Agree 100% and thank Liquid for leading in this way.</div><div><br></div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"><div lang="EN-US" link="blue" vlink="purple"><div>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">But believe me, coming from an environment where having address space is critical to the business, there is a correlation between investment and address space,
and it can be clearly demonstrated.</span></p></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>Correlation != Causation. I be happy to be show both. The attractiveness of IT infrastructure in Afrique is based more on business opportunity. link to a IPv4 resource that is quick running out is very shady at best. Or put different - will these investments stop if afrinic run out of ipv4? (we might look to see weather investments in infrastructure in india and Chine have stopped because of lack of ipv4.</div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"><div lang="EN-US" link="blue" vlink="purple"><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">I do believe that we need to protect the African resources from being pillaged by non-African entities and IP Brokers. I will strongly support policy that
prevents African resources flowing off continent into the hands of those who have absolutely no link to Africa AND where there is no benefit (quantitative) to the continent. </span></p></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>That seem to me to be a goal many people in the community share. but i wander , with such small IPv4 space compared to other part of world, why is afrinic consumption so small? </div><div><br></div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"><div lang="EN-US" link="blue" vlink="purple"><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"> I just do not believe at this point we have a policy proposal that fulfills these
objectives. </span></p></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>maybe.</div><div><br></div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"><div lang="EN-US" link="blue" vlink="purple">
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