<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_extra"><div><div>Hi Douglas,</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 9 July 2014 09:02, Douglas Onyango <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:ondouglas@gmail.com" target="_blank">ondouglas@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex">Hi Omo,<br>
<div class="">On 9 July 2014 04:14, Omo Oaiya <<a href="mailto:omo@wacren.net">omo@wacren.net</a>> wrote:<br>
> What are Out-Of-Region requests and how many have occurred and at what<br>
> frequency?<br>
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</div>The RIR system was built on the principle of decentralizing<br>
administration of Internet number resources. This means each RIR is<br>
expected to operate within the boundaries of the regions they serve.<br>
Against this backdrop when space from one RIR is used Outside of that<br>
RIR [Out-of-region], it is generally considered to be at odds with<br>
this general principle. </blockquote><div><br></div><br class=""><div><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">Would you elaborate and clarify the principle because the Internet is not geographic. (The regional or continental administration coverage of LIRs would say little about the network)</span></div>
<div><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><br></span></div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex">
There are multiple exceptions/intricacies with<br>
this principle, but I hope you get the general point.<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">A bit hazy. Please explain concisely</span><br></div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex">
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Because of the many exceptions, and other reasons, I can't begin to<br>
quantify how many. I hope AFRINIC will have a better answer.<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">So what is the proposal based on if we don't know even if this is a problem, an operational or real policy need</span></div>
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> Is there any evidence of this? If there is, what is the current procedure<br>
> for such<br></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">Evidence based proposal would be preferred</span> </div><div><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex">
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</div>Perhaps staff can provide a more authoritative answer to this.<br>
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> Would this require every request to state % of out-of-region usage and show<br>
> it in network?<br>
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</div>Staff is again better placed to response to this as they will be<br>
responsible for the implementation/enforcement.<br>
<div class=""><br></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">In that case, perhaps better for the policy to be formulated working with the actual networks/plans and /s instead of %?</span></div>
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> Is there any precedence of such a policy at any of the other RIRs?<br>
</div>I know that a draft was introduced in ARIN in Jan and is currently<br>
under discussion.<br>
<div class=""><br></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Could you share the document and/or an opinion on the draft?</div><div><br></div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex">
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> Is this going to create an issue of RIRs competing with each other globally?<br>
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</div>Complex question. All I can say is that this Policy will formalize and<br>
draw the rules for a game that is already in play...<br></blockquote><div><br></div><br class=""><div><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">Is this then on a global policy track?</span></div><div><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><br>
</span></div><div><font face="arial, sans-serif">best wishes</font></div></div></div></div>