<div dir="ltr"><br><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 16 May 2014 18:13, Seun Ojedeji <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:seun.ojedeji@gmail.com" target="_blank">seun.ojedeji@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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On 16 May 2014 16:56, "Mark Elkins" <<a href="mailto:mje@posix.co.za" target="_blank">mje@posix.co.za</a>> wrote:<br>
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> I believe this is one of the pains that AFRINIC Hostmasters are trying<br>
> to deal with at the moment.<br>
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Yeah and they can only try within the limits of the policy.<p></p>
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So what if we said that at least 50% of all<br>
> number resources had to be for equipment in Africa?<br>
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Hmmm... that's could be an option. Perhaps also be helpful to look at reviewing the requirements that makes an organisation African enough to be consider for resource.<p></p>
<p dir="ltr"></p><div class="">> Should be enough for a truly African ISP to use out of the area.<br>
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Yeah 50% is a fair deal, although the other puzzle could be how to verify this after resource assignment is done ;) hence the reason why further vetting of organisation establishment status and purpose may be needed.</blockquote>
<div><br></div><div>Just playing devil's advocate - but who will do this research and maintain it? What if an African multinational is acquired by a non-African company, does it have to free its resources? Or the other way around, a non-African company buying an African one can they suddenly request huge amounts of IP?</div>
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<p dir="ltr"></p><div class="">> I'm looking at somehow disallowing an "African" entity from using all<br>
> the numbering resources out side of the Afrinic Region....<br>
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Yeah a possibility that I just alluded to above. So the purpose of that African company should be checked. Things like:<p></p>
<p dir="ltr">- What type of service do they provide and are they really services that utilises IP resource on physical infrastructures (such check more applicable to those applying as cloud services organization)<br>
- Who are their existing clients<br>
- History of establishment<br>
- Does employed staff and organisation base reflect as being continental.<br>
- Possibly a biannual check of resource usage statistics (if it's not a tall order)</p></blockquote><div>A company complicated enough to need this level of investigation and due diligence might well be a large company with a team of lawyers questioning how they can release information that may be under NDA. Indeed, how much client and contract information is reasonable to disclose before it becomes a liability?</div>
<div><br></div><div><br></div><div>I think the more complicated you make the rules, the more loopholes and corner cases you create, plus more bureaucracy and red tape. Simple rules will scale better..<br></div><div><br></div>
<div>Steve</div><div><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<p dir="ltr">Those tall checks above may not prevent IP export, but it could ensure some functional provider establishment in Africa.</p>
<p dir="ltr">Hopefully we can see some policies proposals in that direction.</p>
<p dir="ltr">Cheers!</p><div><div class="h5"><br>
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> ><br>
> > Cheers!<br>
> > > Regards<br>
> > > Steve<br>
> > ><br>
> > ><br>
> > ><br>
> > > On 16 May 2014 15:57, Saul <<a href="mailto:saul@enetworks.co.za" target="_blank">saul@enetworks.co.za</a>> wrote:<br>
> > >><br>
> > >> Personally I am in favour of keeping our resources regional. I<br>
> > think that we<br>
> > >> have all been offered large sums of money to get space and then<br>
> > sell it off<br>
> > >> the continent.<br>
> > >><br>
> > >> But then its IP... does it really matter?<br>
> > >><br>
> > >> -----Original Message-----<br>
> > >> From: <a href="mailto:rpd-bounces@afrinic.net" target="_blank">rpd-bounces@afrinic.net</a> [mailto:<a href="mailto:rpd-bounces@afrinic.net" target="_blank">rpd-bounces@afrinic.net</a>] On<br>
> > Behalf Of<br>
> > >> Mark Elkins<br>
> > >> Sent: 15 May 2014 09:09 PM<br>
> > >> To: <a href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net" target="_blank">rpd@afrinic.net</a><br>
> > >> Subject: [rpd] IPv4 policy on where space is used.<br>
> > >><br>
> > >> On Thu, 2014-05-15 at 21:46 +0400, Kofi ansa akufo wrote:<br>
> > >> > ....the resource was going out of the region....<br>
> > >><br>
> > >><br>
> > >> As far as I am aware, the current requirement for getting address<br>
> > space is<br>
> > >> that you are a company properly established (all legal - as such)<br>
> > in Africa.<br>
> > >> There is currently no policy (except with the last /8) that states<br>
> > the<br>
> > >> resources you get have to be used in Africa....<br>
> > >><br>
> > >> This might be good.... (get rid of all the IPv4, start using IPv6)<br>
> > or Bad...<br>
> > >> (we are doing *what* with our resources???)<br>
> > >><br>
> > >> Maybe some policy needs to be designed - how do people feel...<br>
> > >><br>
> > >> --<br>
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