<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=us-ascii"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;">As a general rule, in most organizations, participating in the nomination committee is considered a COI with participating in the running of the election. I believe the election process itself is run by AfriNIC staff with non-voting observers usually from other regions.<div><br></div><div>I do think it is a good suggestion to staff or whoever is running the election process to not count/reveal/examine the e-vote results prior to the conclusion of all voting.</div><div><br></div><div>Owen</div><div><br><div><div>On May 10, 2014, at 7:40 AM, Seun Ojedeji <<a href="mailto:seun.ojedeji@gmail.com">seun.ojedeji@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr">Hello Mark,<br><br><div><div>Thanks for referencing the bylaw directly and i guess that clears the nomcom/election committee (although i think the wording on the nomcom page may need to be updated [1])<br></div>
<div><br></div>Just one question, do you think its right to have access to voting results before conclusion of elections?<br><br></div><div>If your response is a NO, could nomcom (on the capacity of coordinating the process) then make sure that the e-voting result is for the first time accessed during the counting of the paper ballot.<br>
<br></div><div>Will that be possible without any complication?<br></div><div><br></div><div>Thanks<br><br></div>Regards<br>1. <a href="http://www.afrinic.net/en/community/elections/afrinic-nomcom">www.afrinic.net/en/community/elections/afrinic-nomcom</a><br>
</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, May 10, 2014 at 3:21 PM, Mark Elkins <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:mje@posix.co.za" target="_blank">mje@posix.co.za</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div class="">On Sat, 2014-05-10 at 12:42 +0100, Seun Ojedeji wrote:<br>
> Hello Mark,<br>
><br>
><br>
> First considering that i wrote to chair (you) and nomcom, i assume<br>
> this response is on behalf of nomcom (do let me know if its otherwise<br>
> in your individual capacity). Kindly find my comments below:<br>
><br>
> On Sat, May 10, 2014 at 11:10 AM, Mark Elkins <<a href="mailto:mje@posix.co.za">mje@posix.co.za</a>> wrote:<br>
><br>
><br>
> Firstly, NomCom does not run the elections. The job of NomCom<br>
> (Nominations Committee) is to provide suitable candidates for<br>
> various<br>
> elections or appointments, Board Members, PDP Joint-Chairs,<br>
> and NRO/ASO<br>
> representatives.<br>
> ><br>
><br>
> Although nomcom may seem to mean what you indicated above. However<br>
> nomcom according to the AFRINIC website means this:<br>
> The NomCom (Nominations and Elections Committee) [1]Functions of the<br>
> Nomination Committee:<br>
</div>> * The Nom Com shall<br>
> * use its best effort towards ensuring that a<br>
<div class="">> satisfactory number of individuals from the African<br>
> internet community stand as candidate for the election<br>
> of the directors of AFRINIC.<br>
</div>> * have general responsibility for, and shall supervise<br>
<div class="">> the conduct of the polls by the election Committee on<br>
> election day.<br>
> Although the second role seem to imply that there is another team<br>
> called "election committee" and at this point, i seem to be lost on<br>
> how that committee come to play. Nevertheless its still clear that<br>
> your team coordinates the process and your role exceeds what you have<br>
> stated above.<br>
<br>
</div>OK - let me use less of my own words and quote from the Bylaws...<br>
<br>
9 THE NOMINATION COMMITTEE<br>
There shall be a Nomination Committee (NomCom), which shall consist of a<br>
chairman and three other members as appointed by the Board and<br>
composed of qualified and experienced persons. The Board shall make a<br>
public call for voluntary nomination from the African Internet<br>
Community.<br>
<br>
10 ELECTION COMMITTEE<br>
There shall be an election committee comprising of such staff members of<br>
AFRINIC as may be designated by the Chief Executive Officer.<br>
<div><div class="h5"><br>
<br>
><br>
> > Thanks for the opportunity to participate in nomcom.<br>
><br>
><br>
> There are some logistics which people may be missing.<br>
> I see that there is a goal to move to 100% electronic voting,<br>
> however<br>
> until then.....<br>
><br>
><br>
> Yes thats the final desire,(which will perhaps require the blessings<br>
> of BoD) but that is not the request for this upcoming election.<br>
><br>
><br>
> Practically, the e-vote needs to be terminated some time<br>
> before people collect their ballot papers. This is so that the<br>
> ballot papers can be provided only to those entities allowed<br>
> to vote because they have not<br>
> yet exercised that right via the e-vote. In order to do this,<br>
> logically, one needs to see which entities have used the<br>
> e-vote so their representatives are not also given a ballot<br>
> paper to vote with.<br>
><br>
><br>
> I still find it not convincing that the termination of e-voting is the<br>
> only way to avoid multiple voting. Especially since it is clear that<br>
> you go through a process before you can do e-voting, and it is<br>
> expected that anyone that opt for e-voting obviously doesn't want to<br>
> paper ballot. So its clear those to give paper ballot can be known<br>
> easily.<br>
><br>
> What needs to be avoided is having privileged prior knowledge of the<br>
> e-voting status, your comment above doesn't prevent that.<br>
><br>
><br>
> From a convenience point of view, the e-vote cut-off time is<br>
> the evening before voting day. Names can then be checked. From<br>
> the morning of voting day, paper ballots are issued to all<br>
> still legible voters. This takes time. Paper Ballots are<br>
> carried by their owners until they are "exercised" later on in<br>
> the afternoon.<br>
><br>
><br>
> Please see my comment above about why i think we don't have to count<br>
> the e-votes just to get the numbers of those who used the e-voting<br>
> platform. Even if you don't think that option is totally perfect<br>
> (because some would already gotten their BPKI) then the voting<br>
> platform should be able clearly separate actual voting result from<br>
> from users(members) who has actually voted. Considering the level of<br>
> technicality already exhibited on the e-voting platform, i believe a<br>
> feature like that is the least challenge of the technical team (if it<br>
> doesn't already exist).<br>
><br>
><br>
> I guess that in the process of checking the names of entities<br>
> who have e-voted, one may also know how they have voted<br>
> (though I might be wrong). I personally have no issues with<br>
> this as long as the e-vote<br>
> results are kept strictly confidential (as has been done).Once<br>
> all the paper ballots have been submitted and counted, the<br>
> results of the two systems can be safely merged into one<br>
> election result and announced.<br>
><br>
> Kindly refer to my comment above; keeping the e-vote confidential is<br>
> the main goal.<br>
><br>
><br>
> Due to the fact that I represent more than one entity, I have<br>
> more than one vote to cast. Last year, I cast some by e-vote<br>
> and some by ballot paper. I was happy to see that the system<br>
> worked.<br>
><br>
> I did mine via e-voting and i believe no body who has used the<br>
> e-voting platform would deny that it was quite functional. I was<br>
> however surprised at the AGM when it was said that the voting system<br>
> closed and the result counted. The way i know that election is done is<br>
> that you count votes in the presence of the voters (or at least before<br>
> the candidates party representatives). On that basis as an individual<br>
> and member i wouldn't know whether something has happened to my votes<br>
> (although the platform worked).<br>
><br>
><br>
> Before asking for change, please carefully consider how one<br>
> might do this better whilst we have both e-votes and paper<br>
> ballot votes.<br>
><br>
> Nobody, and certainly not me is asking us to move to 100% e-votes for<br>
> now (but we agree its something to consider for future). What we are<br>
> saying is that you while may stop e-voting at a point (which i find<br>
> un-necessary though) the opening of the e-voting voting status by the<br>
> 3-trustees should be done the same time the paper ballot is counted.<br>
<br>
> ... and I believe I have the general details and reasoning<br>
> correct... :-)<br>
<br>
> Not quite Mark as i think you perceive we are calling for 100%<br>
> electronic voting which is not the case.<br>
<br>
</div></div>My own personal thoughts..... (Lots of 'I')<br>
<br>
I believe Owen makes a good case for running e-voting to the end of the<br>
election time.<br>
<br>
However, it does appear to me to make things more complicated.<br>
I can not quantify to myself though how useful it would practically be.<br>
I have no idea what technical changes would be necessary and if AFRINIC<br>
is going to change something - I'd rather see it spend the energy going<br>
to a full e-voting solution.<br>
<br>
E-vote starts 10 days before the elections. I see it as a very suitable<br>
replacement for Proxies or for those that can not attend.<br>
Extending it to the last second will possibly encourage people to wait<br>
for the last second. I personally prefer the way it currently is which<br>
gives a few hours in case of technical difficulties.<br>
I like the KISS principal.<br>
<br>
The AFRINIC website does state that e-votes and the people who have cast<br>
them are not conjoined. As I don't know how the software actually<br>
functions, I can not comment further.<br>
<a href="http://www.afrinic.net/en/community/elections/voting/online-voting" target="_blank">http://www.afrinic.net/en/community/elections/voting/online-voting</a><br>
(last line)<br>
<br>
> Thanks<br>
><br>
><br>
> Kind Regards<br>
<div class="HOEnZb"><div class="h5"><br>
><br>
<br>
--<br>
Mark J Elkins - AFRINIC 2014 Nominations Committee Chair<br>
<a href="mailto:mje@posix.co.za">mje@posix.co.za</a> - nomcom2014 (at) <a href="http://afrinic.net/" target="_blank">afrinic.net</a><br>
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<i><span style="color:rgb(0,102,0)">Seun Ojedeji,<br style="color:rgb(0,102,0)"></span><span style="color:rgb(0,102,0)">Federal University Oye-Ekiti<br style="color:rgb(0,102,0)"></span><span style="color:rgb(0,102,0)">web: </span><a href="http://www.fuoye.edu.ng/" target="_blank">http://www.fuoye.edu.ng</a><br>
<span style="color:rgb(0,102,0)"></span><span style="color:rgb(0,102,0)">Mobile: <a value="+2348035233535">+2348035233535</a></span><span style="color:rgb(0,102,0)"></span><br></i><i><span style="color:rgb(0,102,0)">alt email:<a href="http://goog_1872880453/" target="_blank"> </a><a href="mailto:seun.ojedeji@fuoye.edu.ng" target="_blank">seun.ojedeji@fuoye.edu.ng</a></span></i><br>
<br><blockquote style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">The key to understanding is humility - my view !<br></blockquote></blockquote></font><br></div>
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