<html><head><style type='text/css'>p { margin: 0; }</style></head><body><div style='font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; color: #000000'>Hallo All<br><br>I think the scenario described is likely to recur sooner. <br><br>If a company wished to consolidate its operation and have one administrative entity it can neither be a merger nor acquisition. It is simply a change of internal processes. To the extend that the change has an impact on our current policies by identifying a gap then the policy should be updated.<br><br>If it is an AFRINIC procedure; these are guided by policies discussed and agreed upon by members. I think we should be asking is; against what policy were the Afrinic procedures being discussed developed. <br><br>kind regards<br><br><div><span name="x"></span><!--[if !mso]>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><a name="_MailAutoSig"><span style="font-family: "Arial Narrow","sans-serif";">Fiona Asonga <br>
Chief Executive Officer <br>
Telecommunications Service Providers Association of Kenya/ Kenya Internet
Exchange Point <br>
</span></a><span><span style="font-family: "Arial Narrow","sans-serif";">Member Strategic Committee of the Africa Computer Emergency Response Team</span></span></p>
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<div>Hi McTim,</div>
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<div>See this is my question. If this IS a set of procedures, then things it lacks clarity on either need more process, or policy.</div>
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<div>An example (which I assume that up till now would be dealt with under this policy):</div>
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<div>A holding company owns 8 op-co’s. Those entities continue to exist, but the holding companies wishes to merge all their resources into the holding company to create a single administrative entity which then sub-assigns to its op-co’s. Now, technically
this is not a merger nor an acquisition, and the IP space will continue to be USED by the entities that it was assigned to and for the same purpose. However, it is merged into the holding the company so that there is ONE member and ONE administrative entity.</div>
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<div>Is a situation like that covered under this document? My reading is, not entirely, but its so damn close, that to cover a situation like that would require some minor additions / re-works of that document. Now, does that require a request to AfriNIC
or can that situation be handled through the PdP to modify a document that wasn’t authored through the PdP?</div>
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<div>Thoughts?</div>
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<span style="font-weight:bold">From: </span>McTim <<a href="mailto:dogwallah@gmail.com" target="_blank">dogwallah@gmail.com</a>><br>
<span style="font-weight:bold">Date: </span>Wednesday 19 February 2014 at 6:41 PM<br>
<span style="font-weight:bold">To: </span>Andrew Alston <<a href="mailto:andrew.alston@liquidtelecom.com" target="_blank">andrew.alston@liquidtelecom.com</a>><br>
<span style="font-weight:bold">Cc: </span>"<a href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net" target="_blank">rpd@afrinic.net</a>" <<a href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net" target="_blank">rpd@afrinic.net</a>><br>
<span style="font-weight:bold">Subject: </span>Re: [rpd] Merges/Acquisitions/Closures document<br>
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<div dir="ltr">Looks to me like a set of procedures, not policies.
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Feb 19, 2014 at 10:36 AM, Andrew Alston <span dir="ltr">
<<a href="mailto:Andrew.Alston@liquidtelecom.com" target="_blank">Andrew.Alston@liquidtelecom.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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<div>Hi All,</div>
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<div>I’m putting this as a general question to the Policy list and I would also like AfriNIC response to this.</div>
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<div>AfriNIC has a document referenced at the following location:</div>
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<div><a href="http://www.afrinic.net/en/library/membership-documents/921-mergers-acquisitions-takeovers-and-closures-of-lirend-user" target="_blank">http://www.afrinic.net/en/library/membership-documents/921-mergers-acquisitions-takeovers-and-closures-of-lirend-user</a></div>
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<div>Now this to me looks distinctly like policy, though it has NOT been through the PDP list. So I would like to ask, does this document pre-date the PdP or did it bypass the PdP entirely?</div>
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<div>In either case, with it NOT being a document that has gone through the PdP, should a member or individual wish changes in this document, is it possible to propose policy that amends this document to address omissions etc?</div>
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<div>If this document does NOT pre-date the PdP, can we also please get an explanation from AfriNIC as to why this was not put through the policy process since my reading of this document is that it contains elements which are very definitely questions of policy
which is the remit and mandate of the PdP.</div>
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<div>Thanks</div>
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<div>Andrew Alston</div>
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