<html><head></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 14px; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><div>Badru,</div><div><br></div><div>Actually my comment applies to the first part as well. You cannot setup an ISP on end user space, you cannot pass end user resources to a third party. As for the duly authorised letter, I point to precedent for one thing, such letters were accepted as intention to keep the space within an institution no less than 3 times last year. Further more, ANY organisation that applies as an end user under the RSA is obliged to stay within the confines of his classification as either LIR or End User. So, either you are saying to me that the End User classification cannot be trusted AT ALL irrespective of the RSA, or are you saying to me that Universities / Academic institutions who have committed in letters from management to abiding by their end user classifications are more likely to lie than anyone else applying for end user classifications.</div><div><br></div><div>Further more, any violation of the end user classification by a University would, under the RSA, result in the revocation of space. Since AfriNIC stated multiple times in Lusaka that they were revoking space based on lack of payment, is AfriNIC now saying that they have no ability to do the same in the event of what would be a clear and direct violation of the RSA and a contractual commitment in the form of that letter? </div><div><br></div><div>If you can revoke for one, you can revoke for another, and if you are going to tell me that AfriNIC does not have the man power to police this, of course they don't, AfriNIC are not the IP policy, but if it did become a practice that was happening, are you telling me that you do not have sufficient faith in the community to pick it up and report it to AfriNIC where AfriNIC could act?</div><div><br></div><div>Surely, in your position as chair of the board, you are fully aware of the rules surrounding end user classifications, and I pray you are not stating on this list that Universities applying for space are less trustworthy than anyone else applying under that classification….</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>Andrew</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><span id="OLK_SRC_BODY_SECTION"><div style="font-family:Calibri; font-size:11pt; text-align:left; color:black; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: #b5c4df 1pt solid; BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-TOP: 3pt"><span style="font-weight:bold">From: </span> Badru Ntege <<a href="mailto:ntegeb@one2net.co.ug">ntegeb@one2net.co.ug</a>><br><span style="font-weight:bold">Date: </span> Wednesday 26 June 2013 9:09 AM<br><span style="font-weight:bold">To: </span> Andrew Alston <<a href="mailto:alston.networks@gmail.com">alston.networks@gmail.com</a>><br><span style="font-weight:bold">Cc: </span> Owen DeLong <<a href="mailto:owen@delong.com">owen@delong.com</a>>, rpd <<a href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net">rpd@afrinic.net</a>><br><span style="font-weight:bold">Subject: </span> Re: [AFRINIC-rpd] Commencement of the last call<br></div><div><br></div><div><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=iso-8859-1"><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>Andrew </div><div><br></div><div>did not comment on this part </div><div><br></div><div>This policy does not require an institution to prove that it has infrastructure for the capacity is requesting. All it requires is that you have students and asks us to assume that each student will have a laptop, pda, iPad, and i-anything that will need connectivity. There is nothing stoping this institution now using the resources to set up a local for profit ISP, or even passing these resources to a third party that will take them off the continent. Lets stop using this tactic to scare people into supporting the proposal. </div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>response to you point below</div><br><div><div>On Jun 26, 2013, at 9:53 AM, Andrew Alston <<a href="mailto:alston.networks@gmail.com">alston.networks@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; font-size: 14px; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><div>Sorry Badru, but your comment below is actually incorrect.</div><span id="OLK_SRC_BODY_SECTION"><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><div><br></div><div>> if i wanted to take resources off the continent all i need to do now is to invest in a poor african HEI get the resources and then use them in my business abroad. The policy opens the door we are claiming to close.</div></div></span><div><br></div><div>The policy is pretty clear on this:</div><div><br></div><div><span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-family: 'Lucida Grande', Helvetica, Verdana, sans-serif; font-size: 12px; line-height: 16px; text-align: justify; background-color: rgb(238, 238, 238); ">HEIs will be classified as End Users under this policy, on provision of a duly authorized letter from the institution management stating that address space allocated will not be used outside of the campus/academic environment.</span></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>What authenticates a dully authorized letter ?? You are asking us here to exercise what i would call "Blind Trust" on top of just counting the numbers of students without much consideration for availability of CPE.</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; font-size: 14px; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><div><span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-family: 'Lucida Grande', Helvetica, Verdana, sans-serif; font-size: 12px; line-height: 16px; text-align: justify; background-color: rgb(238, 238, 238); "><br></span></div><div>End users do not have this option, the only time this would be the case is if the Universities were classified as LIR's and that is something we have been at pains to make sure is not the default case under this policy</div><div><br></div><div>Andrew</div><div><br></div><span id="OLK_SRC_BODY_SECTION"><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><div><div><br></div><div><br></div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; font-size: 14px; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><div>If people still have issues with these answers, we cannot address them without further articulation of the concerns. Part of the consensus process is to build towards a common goal, and we have done our best to answer each query as it was raised, and if the answers were not satisfactory and did not adequately explain our position, we can do nothing more but wait for further questions which will allow us to further clarify the position. This is the nature of consensus building.</div><div><br></div><div>Andrew</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><span id="OLK_SRC_BODY_SECTION"><div style="font-family: Calibri; font-size: 11pt; text-align: left; border-width: 1pt medium medium; border-style: solid none none; padding: 3pt 0in 0in; border-top-color: rgb(181, 196, 223); "><span style="font-weight:bold">From: </span> Owen DeLong <<a href="mailto:owen@delong.com">owen@delong.com</a>><br><span style="font-weight:bold">Date: </span> Tuesday 25 June 2013 10:04 PM<br><span style="font-weight:bold">To: </span> Andrew Alston <<a href="mailto:alston.networks@gmail.com">alston.networks@gmail.com</a>><br><span style="font-weight:bold">Cc: </span> Maye Diop <<a href="mailto:mayediop@gmail.com">mayediop@gmail.com</a>>, Emile Milandou <<a href="mailto:emilemilan@gmail.com">emilemilan@gmail.com</a>>, rpd <<a href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net">rpd@afrinic.net</a>><br><span style="font-weight:bold">Subject: </span> Re: [AFRINIC-rpd] Commencement of the last call<br></div><div><br></div><div><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=iso-8859-1"><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">The same should apply equally to statements of support.<div><br></div><div>Owen</div><div><br><div><div>On Jun 25, 2013, at 04:50 , Andrew Alston <<a href="mailto:alston.networks@gmail.com">alston.networks@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; font-size: 14px; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><div>If I may ask the following on the list, because this is part of what is required when determining consensus as per the IETF draft document on rough consensus.</div><div><br></div><div>If there are objections to the policy, if these can be clearly articulated with solid modelling, technical objections or financial objections, that are based on solid information and not hypotheticals, it would be hugely helpful.</div><div><br></div><div>This way, should the policy not pass last call, we can then examine exactly what changes need to be made in order to make the policy more palatable. However, this is impossible to do if the objections are based on hypotheticals with no basis in solid information or gut feelings, and by the IEFT draft document on consensus, objections that are considered when gauging consensus should be based in fact, since consensus is more than just a "majority" issue.</div><div><br></div><div>Thanks</div><div><br></div><div>Andrew</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><span id="OLK_SRC_BODY_SECTION"><div style="font-family: Calibri; font-size: 11pt; text-align: left; border-width: 1pt medium medium; border-style: solid none none; padding: 3pt 0in 0in; border-top-color: rgb(181, 196, 223); "><span style="font-weight:bold">From: </span> Maye Diop <<a href="mailto:mayediop@gmail.com">mayediop@gmail.com</a>><br><span style="font-weight:bold">Date: </span> Tuesday 25 June 2013 1:41 PM<br><span style="font-weight:bold">To: </span> Emile Milandou <<a href="mailto:emilemilan@gmail.com">emilemilan@gmail.com</a>><br><span style="font-weight:bold">Cc: </span> rpd <<a href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net">rpd@afrinic.net</a>><br><span style="font-weight:bold">Subject: </span> Re: [AFRINIC-rpd] Commencement of the last call<br></div><div><br></div><div dir="ltr"><div><div>Dear Colleagues,<br></div>Thanks to Emile for this update.<br></div>As the last call is open now, I would like to add my opposition to the policy about <span style="font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; ">Academic IPv4 Allocation</span>. <br><div><div class="gmail_extra">Best Regards,<br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">2013/6/25 Emile Milandou <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:emilemilan@gmail.com" target="_blank">emilemilan@gmail.com</a>></span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex" type="cite"><div dir="ltr"><span style="font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; ">Dear Colleagues,</span><br style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><br style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><span style="font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; ">Following the face to face discussions in Lusaka, Zambia during</span><br style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><span style="font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; ">AFRINIC 18, the following proposals reached consensus during the</span><br style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><span style="font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; ">meeting.</span><br style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><br style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><span style="font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; ">Remove requirement to announce entire v6 block as single </span><span style="font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; ">aggregate</span><br style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><span style="font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; ">Steven Wiesman, Steven Tapper,Charles Hendrikson</span><br style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><span style="font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; ">AFPUB-2013-V6-001-DRAFT01</span></div></blockquote><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex" type="cite"><div dir="ltr"><br style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><br style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><span style="font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; ">No Reverse Unless Assigned</span><br style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><span style="font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; ">Tim McGinnis</span><br style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><span style="font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; ">AFPUB-2012-DNS-001-DRAFT-02</span></div></blockquote><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex" type="cite"><div dir="ltr"><br style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><br style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><span style="font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; ">Academic IPv4 Allocation</span><br style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><span style="font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; ">Andrew Alston</span><span style="font-size: 13px; font-family: arial, sans-serif; ">, </span><span style="font-size:13px;font-family:arial,sans-serif"><span>Sunday</span></span><span style="font-size: 13px; font-family: arial, sans-serif; "> Folayan</span><div><span style="font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; ">AFPUB-2013-GEN-001-DRAFT-03</span><br style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"></div></div></blockquote><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex" type="cite"><div dir="ltr"><br style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><span style="font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; ">Anycast Assignments in the AFRINIC region</span><br style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><span style="font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; ">Mark Elkins, Mauritz Lewies, Tim McGinnis</span><br style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><span style="font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; ">AFPUB-2012-V4-001-DRAFT-01</span> <br></div></blockquote><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex" type="cite"><div dir="ltr"><br style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><br style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><span style="font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; ">The two-week last call period for these proposals starts today </span><span style="font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; ">25-06-2013.</span><br style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><br style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><span style="font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; ">At the end of the </span><span style="font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; ">Last</span><span style="font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; "> </span><span style="font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; ">Call</span><span style="font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; ">, we will make a final assessment on whether consensus has been reached by taking into consideration the comments from the Public Policy Meeting as well as those during this </span><span style="font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; ">Last</span><span style="font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; "> </span><span style="font-family: arial, sans-serif; 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