<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=windows-1252"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">So Andrew<div><br></div><div>A list was shared of educational institutions that have successfully acquired resources from AfriNIC. Im sure they went through a process and finally acquired resources. </div><div><br></div><div>Do we need to refine the allocation process ??? i would probably say yes.</div><div><br></div><div>Do we need to break a system that has worked for thousands of applicants because a few institutions had problems acquiring resources ???</div><div><br></div><div>i definitely do not think so. </div><div><br></div><div><div style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; font-size: 14px; "><br></div></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br><div><div>On Jun 26, 2013, at 5:30 PM, Andrew Alston <<a href="mailto:alston.networks@gmail.com">alston.networks@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; font-size: 14px; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><div>Lets look at this one by one based on past history which we attempted to resolve over multiple attempts (and will provide the documentation), based on previous requests:</div><div><br></div><span id="OLK_SRC_BODY_SECTION"><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">university backbone infrastructure will need x resources because of
</div></span><div><br></div><div><AFRINIC></div><div>Number of ports on a network does not show concurrent utilisation, so we will pick an arbitrary number to assign you</div><div></AFRNIC></div><div><br></div><span id="OLK_SRC_BODY_SECTION"><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">labs will need these resources
..</div></span><div><AFRINIC></div><div>Your labs are only likely to be X% full at any point, so we will pick an arbitrary number to assign you</div><div></AFRINIC></div><div><br></div><span id="OLK_SRC_BODY_SECTION"><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">halls of residence have this number of occupancy rate and will need
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see above
</div><div><AFRINIC></div><div><br></div><div>And then finally
.</div><div><br></div><div>> each student will be allowed one BOYD device with connectivity
</div><div><br></div><span id="OLK_SRC_BODY_SECTION"><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">SAY WHAT? No University anywhere is going to restrict the number of BYOD per person. That would be <span style="font-weight: bold; ">impossible</span> to enforce, and it would be COMPLETELY counter productive. Different devices have different purposes and are used as such. Smart phones are everywhere, tablets are used often for reading research materials and notebooks are used for working on. Who is AfriNIC to dictate something like that or ask the Universities to dictate something like that. That is nothing short of INSANITY.</div></span><div><br></div><span id="OLK_SRC_BODY_SECTION"><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><div>> what is so difficult to offer this information ?????</div><div><br></div>That is what is so difficult, and I am prepared to show documentation of over <span style="font-weight: bold; ">3 MONTHS</span> of attempting to educate and deal with this situation in the past year. Countless emails, education, dialog etc. I will even produce an email trail when in a desperate attempt one university attempted to compromise with AfriNIC who refused a compromise based on allowing the university to <span style="font-weight: bold; ">prove</span> their need where they would get half the space upfront and if they could prove 100% utilisation they would get the other half, under the same application fee (which it would have been the same fee because it was the same size category). AfriNIC refused this and said they would have to apply again to get the rest. There was even an offer on a time limit to prove this concurrency. </div></span><div><br></div><div>The bottom line is, the current evaluations and policies are ENTIRELY subjective as it, this policy helps to move that subjective evaluation back into the hands of the University who actually knows and understands its own environment far better than any member of afrinic staff ever will. </div><div><br></div><div>Andrew</div><div><br></div><span id="OLK_SRC_BODY_SECTION"><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; font-size: 14px; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><div><br></div><div>Average wifi concurrency on a University I looked at recently was 3.2 per person, add the university infrastructure and lab pcs etc, you are running at a 5:1 or greater right there. This has nothing to do with a student having an IP for life, and I don't know how you come to that conclusion, dynamic ip assignments, if the population is on campus the IP's will be being used or you will run out of leases. Sorry, but your argument fails to hold up to technical scrutiny.</div><div><br></div><div>Andrew</div><div><br></div><span id="OLK_SRC_BODY_SECTION"><div style="font-family: Calibri; font-size: 11pt; text-align: left; border-width: 1pt medium medium; border-style: solid none none; padding: 3pt 0in 0in; border-top-color: rgb(181, 196, 223); "><span style="font-weight:bold">From: </span> Badru Ntege <<a href="mailto:ntegeb@one2net.co.ug">ntegeb@one2net.co.ug</a>><br><span style="font-weight:bold">Date: </span> Wednesday 26 June 2013 4:08 PM<br><span style="font-weight:bold">To: </span> Kennedy Aseda <<a href="mailto:kaseda@kenet.or.ke">kaseda@kenet.or.ke</a>><br><span style="font-weight:bold">Cc: </span> <<a href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net">rpd@afrinic.net</a>><br><span style="font-weight:bold">Subject: </span> Re: [AFRINIC-rpd] Re: PDP discussions<br></div><div><br></div><div><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=us-ascii"><base href="x-msg://5093/"><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">Kennedy <div><br></div><div><br><div><div>On Jun 26, 2013, at 4:39 PM, Kennedy Aseda <<a href="mailto:kaseda@kenet.or.ke">kaseda@kenet.or.ke</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><div style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: -webkit-auto; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; "><div style="font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(51, 51, 51); ">Badru,<br><br>With some HEI's adopting BYOD and students are coming in with multiple portable devices there is need to consider such devices that are actually not owned by the HEI but are used by students. If there is an easier way other than student population then no problem.<br><br></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>You are creating the assumption that every student in every educational institution will have three other devices that need an IP address and that every registered student would be allocated a permanent address through their lifetime in the institution.</div><div><br></div><div>totally illogical </div><div><br></div><div>regards</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: -webkit-auto; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; "><div style="font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; font-size: 12pt; color: rgb(51, 51, 51); "><div>Kennedy<br></div><br><hr id="zwchr"><div style="font-weight: normal; font-style: normal; text-decoration: none; font-family: Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; "><b>From:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>"Badru Ntege" <<a href="mailto:ntegeb@one2net.co.ug">ntegeb@one2net.co.ug</a>><br><b>To:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>"Kennedy Aseda" <<a href="mailto:kaseda@kenet.or.ke">kaseda@kenet.or.ke</a>><br><b>Cc:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b><a href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net">rpd@afrinic.net</a><br><b>Sent:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Wednesday, June 26, 2013 1:57:26 PM<br><b>Subject:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Re: [AFRINIC-rpd] Re: PDP discussions<br><br><br>On Jun 26, 2013, at 11:55 AM, Kennedy Aseda <<a href="mailto:kaseda@kenet.or.ke">kaseda@kenet.or.ke</a>> wrote:<br><br>> Albeit belated, I wish to state my support for the proposed policy (AFPUB-2013-GEN-001-DRAFT-03).<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>> HEI's are a catalyst to Internet penetration as well as testing of new technologies. Simplification of the application process will greatly aid HEI's.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br><br>Simplification can be done without changing the rules of resource allocation. Allocation by student population is just taking simplification to the extreme.<br><br><br>><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>> I support.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>> Kennedy<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>> _______________________________________________<br>> rpd mailing list<br>> <a href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net">rpd@afrinic.net</a><br>> <a href="https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo.cgi/rpd">https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo.cgi/rpd</a></div></div></div></blockquote></div><br></div></div></div>_______________________________________________
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